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Hoofprints in the Sand 05-25-2012 01:10 PM

Help with form over fences (**pic heavy**)
 
I was taking a look through our photos of our very first Hunter show this weekend, and while my form has greatly improved from when I first started jumping (in Eventing), we still have some tweaks we need to make.

I noticed in this one that I still seem to be pivoting at the knee a little bit...not as bad as I used to, but it's still there and evident in the way my leg has moved behind the girth and butt is too far forward and out of the saddle.

Soooo anyone have any tips I could use to correct this? Any tricks you used to learn, or things you think about making your body do a stride before the fence, or right as you jump?

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...73935387_n.jpg

Just for fun, this is what we looked like the first year we were learning to jump :lol: Well, gotta start somewhere right?!
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...6_631780_n.jpg

And the second year...
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3848481_n.jpg

Third year...
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1263613_n.jpg

And a couple more from the Hunter show this year: http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...75909085_n.jpg

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Allison Finch 05-25-2012 01:26 PM

You pivot on your knee because you put too mush weight on your crest release. This keeps you from having to balance the weight of your upper body.

You see, the lower leg is the counterbalance for the upper body. When the upper body goes forward, your lower leg must go forward to allow for total balance.

Do your jumping position at all gaits with your hands out like an airplane. If you have a friend who can put you on a lunge line, you can do this easily. Keep your lower leg forward until you can maintain your upper body forward position without thinking. Then, if you can, set up a jump grid that you can jump with not hands.

George Morris regrets ever having advocated the crest release because he admits that it kept people from ever learning to really balance themselves.

Hope this helps you.

Hoofprints in the Sand 05-25-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison Finch (Post 1516667)
You pivot on your knee because you put too mush weight on your crest release. This keeps you from having to balance the weight of your upper body.

You see, the lower leg is the counterbalance for the upper body. When the upper body goes forward, your lower leg must go forward to allow for total balance.

Do your jumping position at all gaits with your hands out like an airplane. If you have a friend who can put you on a lunge line, you can do this easily. Keep your lower leg forward until you can maintain your upper body forward position without thinking. Then, if you can, set up a jump grid that you can jump with not hands.

George Morris regrets ever having advocated the crest release because he admits that it kept people from ever learning to really balance themselves.

Hope this helps you.

It does, thank you! Actually a trainer a couple yrs ago made me do grid work with no hands...except she made me put them at my sides, not out like wings, so that made it even MORE difficult haha!! :lol: It was fun though, I need to revisit that again! Do you think it would help for me to visualize pushing my legs forward when I jump too? I mean I know you're not literally supposed to do that, but maybe if I visualize it, I'll just keep them where they should be?


Hoofprints in the Sand 05-26-2012 08:09 AM

So Allison, last night at the walk and trot I decided to envision myself pushing my feet forward in my 2 pt and wouldn't ya know it, it created a much more stable base and kept my feet closer to the girth where they should be! :-) now, to remember to keep it that way over fences...!!
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livestoride 05-26-2012 09:47 AM

Sorry, no critique, but your hors eis very handsome!! I really liked that plaid saddle pad in the one picture. it looked very nice.

maura 05-26-2012 01:04 PM

My favorite exercise for this is to use a bit a baling twine or spur straps to tie your stirrups to the girth. (Only appropriate for ring work and fences in jump cups, not solid fences.)

A couple of things will happen - you'll be made aware of it every time your leg slips back because you'll feel a little tug or jerk, you'll instantly feel more secure and stable and you will start to overwrite the incorrect muscle memory with the correct one.

Be careful with this though - do it for 15 or 20 minutes at a time or you may be VERY sore the next day.

The grids with no hands exercise is also wonderful - you'll know when your leg slips back because you'll start to tip forward on your horse's neck.

For a more advanced exercise, tie the stirrups to the girth and do your warm and work through grids with no hands; then untie the stirrups and to the grids no hands again, and see if you can recreate the security and balance.

Woodland Eventer 05-26-2012 01:23 PM

My trainer was working on me with things like this on Wednesday night. She had me trot and canter around in a more true two-point(with my bum stuck out very much and my body really bending at the hip. She then sent me through gymnastics from a trot in this position. My bum really helped balance my leg at the girth, I was surprised.

Now when I ride and jump, I feel like I'm wagging my bum at someone and saying "Nanner nanner ha ha ha!" But it truly does help a lot. It also helps the release happen and not let you press on your hands(another of my bad habits).

ElvenAngel81 06-06-2012 04:16 PM

Heh, my trainer makes me go over grid work and jumps with my hands out to the side at all paces, then after we do it with no stirrups and no hands. At first, it was like, "AHHH this sucks!"
I kind of like no hands now, but it's still challenging lol :) It definitely has improved my position a lot though ... Still don't like no hands, no stirrups

Woodland Eventer: I have that same problem!! Thanks for that tip, I'll try it tomorrow morning for my lesson!

Klassic Superstar 06-06-2012 04:19 PM

Looking great!
One question...lol where did you get your plaid pad in the 4th picture!? I love it!

Hoofprints in the Sand 06-07-2012 10:57 AM

haha everyone loves that pad! ;-) It's a Kensington and called "black plaid", Sandie has about a million matching items (halter, tail bag, grooming tote, saddle pad) in that color :lol:

It's one of these, but in the "black plaid" color, which is harder to find!

Kensington Saddle Pads - All Purpose Saddle Pads from SmartPak Equine

I got most of the stuff from SmartPak, they carry a lot of Kensington items, like her halter for example: Kensington Breakaway Halter with Lead - Halters from SmartPak Equine

And here is her tail cover: Kensington Tail Cover and Mane and Tail Bags | EQUESTRIAN COLLECTIONS.COM

And of course had to have the matching grooming tote ;-) Kensington Show Tote and Grooming Totes | EQUESTRIAN COLLECTIONS.COM

The material is very nice and sturdy! It reminds me of patio furniture cushions in a way! But I don't like the fly mask, it rubbed a lot of the fur off Sandie's face, so I use Cashel quiet ride for that!

I got the actual saddle pad at a local tack shop, that one is hard to find in black plaid online for some reason!


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