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Born2Ride 05-31-2012 01:57 PM

AQHA colt possibly going to buy
 
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Im currently looking at possibly buying a quarter horse colt, im just very on the fence on purchasing him. So i figured i would get some peoples opinions on him from here. He is a weanling, the sire owner believes he will shed out to be a bay dun and be eligible for ABRA (he is currently AQHA pending). His mother is Dun and his sire is Grulla. I will post links to there pedigree, the sire's website and a photo of the colt's dam. Let me know what you think, and what you would believe this colt is worth. Im just really trying to make sure i make a smart investment, especially with him being a weanling. Thanks!

Sire:

Dynamic In Blue
Dynamic In Blue Quarter Horse

website; Dynamic In Blue


Dam:

Docs Oceanside Star
Docs Oceanside Star Quarter Horse

Here is also a list of the dam's progeny performance record;

Sunrise Genuine Star: 2000 bay mare
*injured as a foal, never shown

Sunrise Genuine Hope: 2001 bay mare
NRHA Money earner

SunriseHollywoodDoc: 2002 buckskin mare
AQHA Open Performance points (4)
2006 Regional Exp. Jr Reining Top Five

Docs Dunit Shandy: 2005 brown mare
OSBA Futurity Weanling Halter Mares- 5th place

Who Dunit In The Sky: 2007 dun mare
IBHA Halter points (8.5) (doesn't include 2011 shows)
IBHA Performance points (4.0) (doesn't include 2011 shows)
OSBA High Point 2YO Halter Mares (2009)
OSBA High Point Youth Halter Mares (2009)
OSBA Reserve High Point Youth Western Pleasure (2009)
IBHA World Show Open Halter Mares- 3rd place (2010)
IBHA World Show Youth Halter Mares- 4th place (2010)
IBHA Warm Up To The World Reserve Champion Youth Western Pleasure (2010)
IBHA Warm Up To The World Champion Open Halter Mare (2010)
OSBA High Point Youth Halter Mare (2010)
OSBA High Point Youth Performance Horse (2010)
*Unshown in 2011 due to owner's health issues


RockStar Sensation: 2009 dun gelding
OSBA Futurity Weanling Stallions- 4th place
ABRA Congress Reserve Champion Longe Line (Open and Amateur)
ABRA Performance Points (total unavailable)
ABRA Congress Champion 2YO Longe Line (Open and Futurity)
*Being prepped under saddle for 3YO ABRA events

Oh Why Not Me: 2011 dunskin mare
*still in my barn- Plan to get her out to the OSBA Futurity this fall


Dun Up N Denim: 2012 bay gelding
*Eligible to show at the OSBA Futurity in weanling stallions/geldingsAttachment 100326

Dreamcatcher Arabians 05-31-2012 02:17 PM

My first concern would be to find out his HERDA status, if you don't know it. I see quite a bit of Poco Bueno in his pedigree, so it's a valid concern. I don't see any Impressive, so if you can make sure there is none, HYPP wouldn't be a concern.

He's a nice looking little fellow, and if you want a weaner to raise up your way, might be a good bet. What are both parents temperaments like? How does he react to you handling him?

I've seen well bred babies like him advertised starting at $500 in your general area, so wouldn't be willing to pay a whole lot. What are they asking?

Born2Ride 05-31-2012 02:29 PM

There asking $1,500 obo, the stallion owner believes he's worth $3,500. The owner talked very highly of the dam, and she seems to be a wonderful mare. The stallion owner says Blue is a really good minded, well structured stud who passes that on to his foals. I was also told by the sire's owner that she has a lot of repeat customers because of the quality he throws and that its very rare to find a broke Blue foal on the market because the owners love them to much to let them go and they often go for upwards of $12,000-$15,000. They also have a facebook for the sire, but wasn't sure if i'm allowed to post a link to that.

Dreamcatcher Arabians 05-31-2012 02:36 PM

That's ok, I don't need the Facebook thing, I looked at his website and found a link to the stallion station. His stud fee is advertised at $1000 with an 'early booking' discount to $800. So, back when the market was good, we'd multiply the stud fee by 3, so 3 X $800 (or less no one pays full price, at least not in my experience) = $2400. He's sired a world champ and mom's no slouch either with her get's show records, so I might go as high as $1000 in today's market if I realllllly realllllly loved the foal. BUT, unless you want a stallion and at that price I doubt he's stallion quality, then you have to geld him and raise him for at least 2 years before you can saddle break him and that all costs money. The $12K figure is what a top earning show horse might bring if sold, not a daily rider/trail horse type guy. So, depending on what you want to do with him, he may or may not be a good deal. Are you wanting to show him?

Born2Ride 05-31-2012 02:41 PM

Yes, im looking for a show prospect. However something of show quality already started, even in this economy, still demands a pretty penny.

Also wanted to add, since he won't be weaned until the beginning of August i am able to make payments which is a big bonus.

Dreamcatcher Arabians 05-31-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Born2Ride (Post 1526058)
Yes, im looking for a show prospect. However something of show quality already started, even in this economy, still demands a pretty penny.

Also wanted to add, since he won't be weaned until the beginning of August i am able to make payments which is a big bonus.


Yes, it does, but if you add the costs to get the horse there, it's still frequently less than buying a weaner and raising it or breeding one. The benefit to having a baby to raise is that it's trained your way and you get to pay every month instead of all at once.

I figure by the time I put a foal on the ground it has cost me somewhere in the neighborhood of $5K if I use an outside stallion with a reasonable stud fee (in Arabs that's a pretty broad definition). The least I can expect to pay for a breeding is around $2500 today, then there's shipping the semen and the vet costs to impregnate the mare probably around $1000 per try if she doesn't catch the first time. Then I have to feed her, vet her and otherwise dance attendance on her for approximately 18 months, til the foal is weaned. It costs roughly $250/month to care for my own horses. That figure includes feed, bedding, farrier, routine shots, deworming. So, take $250 X 18 months, so there's another $2500 before the foal is weaned and ready to sell. Now we're up to $7500 in costs and in today's market.....whooooeeee it's gotta be one special foal to sell for more than $750 to $1000. If I keep the foal and put it in training when he's old enough, then I'm looking at 1 to 2 years feeding before training at $250/month, so let's do another 18 months for $2500 more. Then I send him off to be trained, halter & saddle breaking for $700 month (Arabian trainers can go a LOT higher than that) for a minimum of 6 months, another $4200 before I can even show him to any kind of title. We're now up to $14000 and I haven't even shown the horse yet.

That's why I'm saying, sometimes it's cheaper to buy the trained horse with a show record than to raise it or breed it.

NOT trying to discourage you from buying this colt if he's everything you've ever wanted, just trying to kind of paint a financial picture for you. I bought my stallion at less than 1 day old and paid over $10K for him. I just KNEW when I saw him he was everything I ever wanted in a stallion. I knew his mother and his father, had actually been around when they were BOTH born, so watched them grow up and watched them show and so I KNEW the quality of the foal. But now, my boy is 5 years old and I probably have $250,000 in him in feed, training, farrier, vet and showing expenses. Not to mention the hassle of dealing with a stallion on a very small farm. Would I do it again if I'd already been through all this before I saw him? YOU BET I WOULD, IN A HOT SECOND! So, just be informed and get a real clear picture in your head of what you want and go for it, just be prepared for all the costs involved.

Born2Ride 05-31-2012 03:18 PM

I completely understand where your coming from, but financially i don't have a couple thousand to drop right at once. So although, you are right, it would be cheaper to buy a trained one, i couldn't afford that. As to where i could afford a monthly feed bill and monthly training expenses. He's also not far, so gas/traveling fee's wouldn't be expensive. I get good hay for a very reasonable price, i can board him for free at my parents (i just pay for his upkeep). I also know of a good trainer less than 45mins from me who has a good reputation for training WP horses for a very reasonable monthly fee. I had this all mapped out when i use to own my 4yr.old grade paint. But i came to the conclusion even though he was a nice mover and gorgeous he would ultimately, still be just that, a grade gelding, and he just wouldn't take me as far as a planned to go, and in this economy pedigree does help resale value. Im just looking for something that will be worth the investment, if that makes sense :).

Dreamcatcher Arabians 05-31-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Born2Ride (Post 1526111)
I completely understand where your coming from, but financially i don't have a couple thousand to drop right at once. So although, you are right, it would be cheaper to buy a trained one, i couldn't afford that. As to where i could afford a monthly feed bill and monthly training expenses. He's also not far, so gas/traveling fee's wouldn't be expensive. I get good hay for a very reasonable price, i can board him for free at my parents (i just pay for his upkeep). I also know of a good trainer less than 45mins from me who has a good reputation for training WP horses for a very reasonable monthly fee. I had this all mapped out when i use to own my 4yr.old grade paint. But i came to the conclusion even though he was a nice mover and gorgeous he would ultimately, still be just that, a grade gelding, and he just wouldn't take me as far as a planned to go, and in this economy pedigree does help resale value. Im just looking for something that will be worth the investment, if that makes sense :).

:lol: In that case, it sounds like you've probably found him! I'd probably offer them $1,000 and meet in the middle if they'll let you make payments plus board til he's paid off. In today's market I would not pay the full asking. Unless they'll let you stretch out his payments for like a year, then I'd do it for the convenience and no interest. Make sense?

I just went to a retirement auction and bought my cremello QH stallion, Skipper W and Conclusive lines, HYPP negative. He's 2 years old and I've been wanting a cremello filly from his breeder for a long time, just kept finding excuses not to buy. Ok, I'm a tightwad. BUT, when Mr. Youngker decided to retire, I got the fire lit under me. I went an looked at EVERYTHING in the sale and decided this colt was the best thing for the money and bid $1000 for him. The auctioneer thought it was real funny when he said, "She's bidding $1000, will you go higher?" and I informed him that I had bid that $1000 and he was going to be MY horse and that gal could go as high as she liked. I got the horse for $1000, the other gal decided there was no point in bidding higher, LOL! So, when they're the right horse, they're just the right horse. I'm loving Skippy and not a bit sorry I bought him and can't wait to go showing.

DrumRunner 05-31-2012 03:52 PM

Personally I really like him..You seem like you've thought everything out and you're ready for him. Buy him..

starrylake 05-31-2012 06:20 PM

I like him :) good looking colt


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