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hvymetalmachine 06-10-2012 10:45 PM

Other hackamores similar to the English hackamore..?
 
I have a 15 - 18 y/o Arabian mare who is "very well broke." I acquired her a 7 months ago from a woman who owned and trained her- I'm owner #2. So far she is the best horse- very willing, not flighty, very polite, and "very broke." Her only vice, so far, is that she had been alone for a few years and is alone now, and seems to get "screamy" when she's near horses. Not bad or out of control, just excitable [so far]. The woman had been using a snaffle on her but said she had planned on going to a hackamore (her children had ridden her in just a halter, often). I noticed that she was not focused on me with a bit, and would shake her head, which is why I switched to the hack.

For the last few months, at shows, friends' houses, and my own house, I've been riding her in an English hackamore. She responds very well and I feel very safe. She has a good amount of woah even when I just say it. My only beef is that it's very clunky and "cheap" looking. I know it works, I should be happy... but it's just so ugly! Are there any out there that are similar or the same in function but not so massive?

I do a decent amount of trail riding, some barrels, and some English-type lessons with a trainer and use this on her no matter what.

I would like something that still has a 'bite' when I want it (for her scream fits), but won't be tooooo harsh on her- she's a nice girl. I had thought of doing the S Hackamore but read that it doesn't have much "woah"...

katbalu 06-10-2012 10:57 PM

I'm going to ask a question that is perhaps ignorant (sorry). Wouldn't 'whoa' and 'bite' be the same thing in this scenario? How would you get 'bite' without 'whoa' or vice versa?

Horsecccrazy 06-11-2012 01:35 AM

I have both! Lol those are huge and annoying sometimes!
I use the little s hack on my pole horse and when we do penning and stuff. It's a great hack and if she is used to being ridden with lite loads like just a halter it should be just enough to be effective and not be too harsh. Highly recommend it, it fixed all my bit problems.
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Saranda 06-11-2012 02:50 AM

How about an LG bridle? LG Bridle

DancingArabian 06-11-2012 08:15 AM

I use a little s hack on my horse - an Arabian gelding - sometimes and he likes it. I switch between the hack and a bit because he responds differently to each and sometimes I want to work on specific things.
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Saddlebag 06-11-2012 11:29 AM

She is calling to the other horses because she wan't to be part of the herd. If she works well in the english hackamore then why be concerned with vanity over function?

DancingArabian 06-11-2012 12:25 PM

Side note.. When she has a screaming fit and is ignoring you, it's because you have become less interesting than shrieking. Make her work harder, change directions, ask for bending/leg yields/whatever. Get her focus back on YOU.

And heck if people ignoring the looks of things, saddle pad companies would be out of business.
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hvymetalmachine 06-11-2012 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by katbalu (Post 1541540)
I'm going to ask a question that is perhaps ignorant (sorry). Wouldn't 'whoa' and 'bite' be the same thing in this scenario? How would you get 'bite' without 'whoa' or vice versa?

I would say, personally, that "bite" and "woah" are two different things, but I did mention that I wanted one with the "bite" which is why I didn't want the S, since I've heard it has no "woah" - therefore I don't know that it would have any kind of bite.

Bite would be that quick pop that you give them when they need to listen up or are acting badly. The woah is the consistent pressure that's held until they woah, and then released as the reward when they've... woahed.

I've noticed that hackamores like the cross-under bitless don't have much "bite" but do give that constant pressure. Using those, my horse will stop when I give her the pressure, but it won't give her that pop when she's being a pain, like the chain on an English hack will.

If for whatever reason she would decide one day to bolt off with me on her, I want that bite. If people are saying that the S Hackamore has no "woah," I would assume that there's a leverage problem and it just doesn't "bite" hard enough when you're putting pressure for the woah- if that makes sense.

And as for the vanity thing- that's exactly what it is. I said that I should be happy that it works, I'm just not. I have a beautiful Tex Tan saddle, wool pad, custom made tack to match... and a $19, clunky English hackamore? Just doesn't seem to fit.

I might still try the S Hack but I'm open to other ideas as well.

katbalu 06-11-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hvymetalmachine (Post 1542633)
I would say, personally, that "bite" and "woah" are two different things, but I did mention that I wanted one with the "bite" which is why I didn't want the S, since I've heard it has no "woah" - therefore I don't know that it would have any kind of bite.

Bite would be that quick pop that you give them when they need to listen up or are acting badly. The woah is the consistent pressure that's held until they woah, and then released as the reward when they've... woahed.

I've noticed that hackamores like the cross-under bitless don't have much "bite" but do give that constant pressure. Using those, my horse will stop when I give her the pressure, but it won't give her that pop when she's being a pain, like the chain on an English hack will.

If for whatever reason she would decide one day to bolt off with me on her, I want that bite. If people are saying that the S Hackamore has no "woah," I would assume that there's a leverage problem and it just doesn't "bite" hard enough when you're putting pressure for the woah- if that makes sense.

And as for the vanity thing- that's exactly what it is. I said that I should be happy that it works, I'm just not. I have a beautiful Tex Tan saddle, wool pad, custom made tack to match... and a $19, clunky English hackamore? Just doesn't seem to fit.

I might still try the S Hack but I'm open to other ideas as well.

Thanks for taking the time to answer that! I have an s hackamore that I like, and also read that it didn't have much
'whoa' - but I was looking for mild vs those western mechanical hackamores with long shanks! Anyhow, thank you :)
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noddy 06-14-2012 03:16 PM

Personally, I think that Little S is uglier than an English Hackamore, but that's me. Maybe a German Hackamore? The top of the nose is leather or rubber covered metal so it's a bit harsher, though it looks a lot better than the giant leather pad that's impossible to find in dark brown. >.>

http://feesnett.info/img.php?fl=g4t4...o203u234r5h4n5

There are hackamores with nicer looking sides/shanks out there, you just have to keep looking. I'm with you though, the typical English Hackamore is one ugly piece of hardware.


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