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So I would like to know what everyone has in their mind as a definition of an "animal hoarder"? Just curious. For instance, if a person has way too many animals for one person, but the means and the ability to maintain those animals, is that person still a hoarder? Or if a person has two or three animals, but can't afford to take them to a vet or get their shots, is that a hoarder? Your thoughts please.....
Anyone who can afford to care for their animals properly, regardless of the numbers, isn't what I'd call a hoarder. Neither is someone who has 2 or 3 animals and has fallen on hard times.
A hoarder believes no one can take care of their animals except them, even when it's not true. Plus, real hoarders never have only a couple of animals; they always number in the dozens up to triple digits. The animals as well as the people tend to be living in squalor.
Hoarding is a mental illness. It should never be confused with people who are in over their heads, know it, and are looking for a solution.
I agree with SR (you have no idea how fed up I am of typing that phrase) it is about being overwhelmed by to many animals but not being able to see that the care is missing. Very much the belief as well that you are the only person who can care for said animals,
I don't know where the dividing line comes though between stretched and hoarder.
[QUOTE=Golden Horse;1577504]I agree with SR (you have no idea how fed up I am of typing that phrase).QUOTE]
Where's the love? I can't help it if I type faster than you! :-P
I hope it not the # of animals you have i have been over 100 a few times in the past year.
But they are chickens and i only have them 8 weeks.
That number can vary, because we are always taking in something or other and trying to find a home for it. I've done pretty good at placing animals, but I do pretty good at keeping them too!
I have always been crazy about animals, and I learned my behaviors early, my family is always "rescuing" something or another and trying to find it a home. My mom did when I was little, and my sister does too. Heck, my sister takes in all the neighborhood neglected kids too and tries to take care of them. (I'm not good with kids, just animals)
Right now I "only" have at the place 9 horses, but only 4 are mine, 2 are my sister's and three are my friend's, 5 dogs (2 large and 3 small), a cat and three birds. Relatively few for me actually.
But I had to ask, cause sometimes people have actually asked me if I was quite sane in having so many animals. I do take care of all of them though, they all have their shots, annual physicals, good quality feed, supplements and anything else I can find to spend on, LOL!
Sometimes I just have to questions myself though. I actually had one person ask me if it wouldn't be a better thing if I gave money to humans in need rather than taking care of so many animals. That does make me feel guilty a little.
i think if you have lots of animals and can pay for them and care for them [or are trying] you are not a hoarder. if you have a lot of animals and cannot pay for/care for them and DONT see there is an issue you are a hoarder. i used to do training with a dog who had come from a hoarder who had nearly 300 dogs living in a barn. this dog was completely un-socialized with people and was afraid of EVERYTHING. it took me almost 6 months to be able to pet her. she ended up being euthanized for aggression [biting the owner, even though it was the owners fault]
A lot of circumstances define whether or not a person is a hoarder. I have a friend that I believe has crossed the line. She's got over 20 horses, some of whom should not even be hers, and yet sabotages every chance she has to sell them.
First, horses that should not be hers =
Someone contracts (verbally she didn't do written contracts, her bad) with her to put one of her mares in foal to one of her stallions and agrees to buy the foal. She breeds the mare, mare foals out and either the sex isn't right or the color isn't right, whatever, they back out and she's stuck with the foal who is now a 6 year old horse. This happened more than once. Actually, 3 or 4 times.
A couple of boarders moved away and just left their horses. Not even horses they bought from her or that she bred.
So, she has around 7 horses that should never have been hers. That leaves 13 of her own.
They are 4 months behind on rent, under threat of eviction, running out of feed and worse, food at home and she has custody of her grandson.
She puts the horses up for sale, no pics, no videos and wants roughly $5k for each horse. They are all extremely well bred and good looking animals (I've seen them but a potential buyer can't know that for sure) and well cared for.
Phone conversation goes something like this. "I got a call from a breeder in Phoenix and he wants to see a video of 2 of my mares. But I don't want to sell to him, he's a halter barn. Plus, I'd have to know that they will be in an air conditioned barn and not out in the sun to fade and be all hot and everything. I told him I don't have any videos and can't find my cord to charge the camera." Next time, "This guy in Vegas wants info on a couple of my horses but I don't want them to go to Vegas. I told him I'd get him a video but I won't because I don't want to sell to him. Oh, and he's pro slaughter, I won't sell to someone pro slaughter. Besides, he's a halter breeder and he'll just breed them to death.".
Ok, so where are the horses going to go when you're out on the street? It's gonna get crowded under a freeway overpass with you, 2 grown kids, grand kid and 20 odd horses.......
So that to me is where you cross over from being challenged to being a hoarder.
Some would call me an animal hoarder as there are now 17 dogs on the property! However they are all well looked after and majority have been either inherited or given (usually "Can you look after him for X months whilst I am away?') and they are still here some year or so later!
As thirteen resident dogs seems to be unlucky I have two couple of Foxhound pups that we will walk (care for) until they are big enough to go back to the hunt kennels.
Besides that, there are 16 horses, I have no clue as to how many chickens, ducks, geese and turkeys there are but added it would total well over 100, possible nearer 200.
The birds are a side line business and pay their way, the horses are also a business. Not that they really pay their way!
To me a hoarder is someone who has so many animals they cannot afford to feed them or care for them veterinary wise, indiscriminate breeding because of the numbers exacerbating the problem.
Well, I had a friend who is now an ex-friend (due to this and other things). I don't know whether she is a hoarder or just has a problem of some kind. As she has gotten older she has gotten worse too, she didn't used to be nearly so bad. Of course, she was married to a pretty good guy and I think he took care of a lot of the animals, but now she is divorced.
She still has to have 8-10 horses around at all times. And dogs, cats, chickens, goats, you name it. She will sell them, but turns right around and will replace one with two. She has some pasture, and some of the easy keepers do ok (just) in the summer, but not all are easy keepers. So most of the horses are VERY thin. Dogs look ok, but have fleas and ticks.
No shots for anything. No shoes or trims for horses. Often little or no feed or hay. And no animal control or humane society in the county she lives in. Most of the time, in the summer, she skates by on the edge of abuse. In the winter, they get pretty darn thin. And there is no medical care for any of them, because she owes all the vets in the area so many unpaid bills. Actually, she owes about everybody she knows, and all of the check loan cashing places are looking for her.
So what is this behavior? Is it hoarding when she will sell them? Its a shame, because when she was married they had a really nice setup, with some good stallions to offer. Now she seems to live hand to mouth but still has to have lots of animals.
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