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TuckerAndFinn 07-08-2012 08:56 PM

Confusion with bits
 
I've read a lot of mixed reviews about western bits for soft-mouthed horses. I currently use a tom thumb, which I've read is probably the worst/most harsh bit. My quarter horse does absolutely fine with it - never tosses his head or shows any discomfort towards it. I don't know if it's just me being a 'Nervous Nancy' but I've become hesitant to use it anymore after the things I've read.
I'm interested in reading other's opinions on TT's. And I'd like to know more about some bits that are soft, while still being acceptable for showing. :-)

caseymyhorserocks 07-09-2012 02:39 PM

Well, it depends.

If you ride on a loose rein in almost any bit (as long as it doesnt have barbs and is made well and fits correctly) the bit can simply not be harsh as there is no pressure on the mouthpiece. So, if you have a horse that you ride in a loose rein with hardly any contact like this:

http://www.horsesforhope.org/Western...y__2__otck.jpg

and use mostly your weight and seat to direct and control your horse there is no harm in it. However, if you regularly need to pick up the reins to steer or correct your horse, I do not recommend the tom thumb.

Do you have a picture of yours, or one similar to yours so we know you are using a true tom thumb? A true tom thumb has straight shanks, which gives virtually no warning at all when you pick up the reins. I prefer a curb like this, double jointed with curved shanks.
http://www.chicksaddlery.com/Merchan...001/238318.JPG
Or if you want something with a lot of warning
Saddles Tack Horse Supplies - ChickSaddlery.com Antique Short S Transition Bit
If you would like a softer bit, go for something with curved shanks and a double jointed mouthpiece.

SorrelHorse 07-09-2012 04:43 PM

I don't like tom thumbs are all. Even in that picture posted about, if that was a tom thumb bit the horse would still feel mouth pressure unless they were on a totally loose rein AND on the perfect vertical.

I personally always advocate Billy Allen bits as opposed to a tom thumb. There is still a lot of lateral movement possible and it is a kind mouthpiece.

TuckerAndFinn 07-10-2012 03:52 PM

This is the bit that I use now
http://i50.tinypic.com/mufuy9.jpg

(I apologize for how gross it looks. My clean bit/bridle are at the barn, so I had to take a picture of the older one that's been laying in my garage. Both bits are exactly the same, one's just older than the other.)

tinyliny 07-10-2012 04:58 PM

that is a tom thumb, alright. If your horse works well in it, then why change? If a horse with a TT was having a lot of head tossing, or bracing against the bit or stiffness and unwillingness to bend, or coming behind the bit and running right through a "stop" signal, then you could say that the TT needed changing.


My lease horse came to me with one. I don't like it becuase he comes behind the bit , and that is one of my pet peeves. I really hate it when a horse comes behind the bit. Also, I cannot give good lateral signals without the horse bracing up his whole body. I prefer a snaffle or double jointed snaffle, but I ride two handed, always.

DoubleS 07-11-2012 02:44 PM

I've ridden 2 horses with 2 complete different responses to it: Putts (my main horse, he's a bit spunky and restless every now and then), would raise his head or even rear a little when more than a little pressure was put on the bit, because the bit splits in half (nutcracker effect) and the shanks multiply the pressure, which puts unbearable pressure on the top of the mouth, causing most horses to toss their head or maybe even rear to get away from the pressure.
On the other hand, I also rode a QH mare in a long shanked TT, but she was a pleasure show horse and barely needed any rein contact. (like what somebody posted above).
I think your safest bet would be just to switch bits.
I'd suggest a short shanked, low port curb bit with swept back shanks. It's tougher than a regular snaffle, and much milder than a TT.
Hope I helped! :-)

TuckerAndFinn 07-15-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleS (Post 1592353)
I'd suggest a short shanked, low port curb bit with swept back shanks. It's tougher than a regular snaffle, and much milder than a TT.
Hope I helped! :-)

I took your advice and he did fantastic! Thanks for the suggestion :D

DoubleS 07-16-2012 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TuckerAndFinn (Post 1598954)
I took your advice and he did fantastic! Thanks for the suggestion :D

Yay! :D glad I helped

stephrs31 07-17-2012 10:31 PM

A little bit about bits..
 
I love bit-topics. Seriously. LOVE.

First, some clarifications... A Tom Thumb is not a snaffle. A snaffle is defined as a non-leverage bit. Anything with shanks or any bit where the reins do not attach at the mouth is a leverage bit. The tom thumb you posted a picture of is a JOINTED curb bit (a bit with shanks and a jointed mouthpiece). The way a bit with a jointed mouthpiece, snaffle or leverage bit, works is when pressure is applied to the reins the bit pinches the tongue and pokes the roof of the mouth, creating discomfort when the horse fights the pressure. The horse can only move comfortably and breath comfortably when the pressure on the tongue is released through submission. There are different levels of severity with jointed mouth pieces... the loose-ring being the most gentle, the shanked bits being the harshest.

In terms of mouth pieces, a double jointed bit is really the softest way to go. Mullen mouth (solid piece) bits are kind too. They do not pinch and rely soley on pressure at the pole for control, not pressure on the tongue. They're great for a horse who moves well on a loose rein in a jointed bit.

If you use direct rein, it is best to use a snaffle (non-leverage). If you horse really goes well in a curb bit, I HIGHLY recommend a Kimberwicke (pictured below). They are very mild curb bits. A kimberwicke with a mullen-mouth (straight bar across) is EXCELLENT and great for direct (plow) reining.

If you use indirect rein and your horse actually KNOWS how to neck rein (I'm not talking about moving your hands far enough over to one side that the bit gets contact... I'm talking about responding to light pressure from the reins on his neck), then tom thumbs are fine because you hardly use them except when you need them. If you have a tendancy to be heavy-handed or if your horse is hard-mouthed, these are not the bit for you. A stronger horse doesn't need a stronger bit, it needs the right bit. If your horse likes mouth contact, I will swear by a Kimberwicke. You can use direct rein when needed, you can ride it as a regular snaffle if you want, but you can attach the reins to the lower slot and it works like a low-shank curb

http://www.doversaddlery.com/images/xl/0001200.jpg
This is primarily considered an "english" bit but honestly, it doesn't matter what discipline you ride as long as you're using the right bit for you and your horse. This bit is used in dressage. Anyone who has seen dressage knows that these rides need quiet hands and maximum control. This bit allows quiet bit contact with mild leverage action for a great natural headset.

The bit pictured above is the mildest leverage bit you'll find. It provides maximum tongue relief, unlike a jointed mouthpiece. You can get jointed kimberwickes if you find your horse needs a little more, or you can get one with less of a port if you don't need the joint but you need more than the one pictured above.

The reason Tom Thumbs get a bad rep is because a lot of people think "western riding, western saddle, western bit!" But just because a bit has shanks and a curb chain doesn't mean it'll work for you. Bits aren't "one size fits all" so to speak... you should try plenty of things before you settle.

One last thing on parting: you get what you pay for. Herm Sprenger is a company that makes ergonomically shaped bits (WAY more comfortable for your horse, based on an extensive study on the shape and workings of a horse's mouth). They cost well over $150 but they will last you forever and you will notice the difference vs the $10 pot-metal bits at Tractor Supply that chip and flake in your horse's mouth and cut his lips.

Be kind to your horse! :-)


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