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ljazwinski 07-09-2012 01:40 AM

What will make the frogs grow faster & healthier?
 
I have a TWH and have FINALLY gotten control of his thrush!!! thanks to my new farrier!!! I have been treating his feet twice a day for 7 days with 50% iodine and 50% DMSO....worked wonders.... now I have to continue treating once every other day until farrier comes back...but now his frogs are so dry and hard and awful looking... I have him on horseshoer's secret (has been for months), which does make the hoofs grow fast... does anyone know if it will also make the frog grow back healthy too? I have never seen his frogs look good, although he has nice hooves... does that make sense? the thrush has been a battle, used every thrush med sold at TSC, but it always came back, I guess maybe it never really got cured? my own stupidity... just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for healthy frog growth....

EvilHorseOfDoom 07-09-2012 01:53 AM

Lots of flies and mosquitoes, and some nice lilypads :-P

Sorry... :mrgreen:
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ljazwinski 07-09-2012 02:21 AM

thanks.... I guess that is what my problem is... i have PLENTY of flies and mosquitos... just need lilypads and my problems will be over!http://www.horseforum.com/images/icons/icon3.gif

GreenBackJack 07-09-2012 03:51 PM

Happy to hear you're getting that thrush under control. Poor guy. I think we need some more information though. You/we need to be looking at the biomechanics of the whole horse and environment, not just suppliments or topical treatments.
Questions:
Is he shod?
What is the terrain like?
Is he stalled or pastured?
What is his exercise routine like?
How long has he been battling with the thrush issue?
What is his diet now and back several months?

NorthernMama 07-09-2012 04:14 PM

Yes, more info please. Dry, hard frogs are a good thing actually. Maybe you are just not used to seeing it that way due to the thrush you've been battling.

ljazwinski 07-09-2012 05:23 PM

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ok...here is the info...

have owned him for almost 2 years... he came from a VERY MUDDY (underwater) pasture with severe thrush in all four feet, but has very nice strong hooves (so the farrier says)... I had a farrier that I really liked but he passed away,(18 months ago) so I found another one... the new farrier said that the thrush was under control...he said if it was not "stinky" or "goey" (which it has never been) than the thrush was gone.... BUT the horse has never grown his frogs back in "healthy"... farrier says this takes at least a year...ok....so I wait.....
feed, am... 6 cups (12%pellet, 12%sweet pellet mix)
1 scoop horseshoer's secret, 1 scoop simplifly
feed pm... same as am, with 4 cups beet pulp and 2 cups alfalpha pellets added, with 1/2 cup apple cider vinegar added, and "soaked" coastal hay
* I use coastal hay BECAUSE he will only eat coastal, or peanut hay... the coastal hay here is usually real nice and soft...no sticks! that is what he refuses to eat is the "sticks" that are in T&A.... and peanut hay is twice the $ and sometimes hard to get, so I only use it on occasion as a treat of sorts...
He is stalled 10-12 hours a night, on rubber mats... He is turned out all day 12-14 hours...sometimes more, depends on my work schedule...
He does not get much excercise:cry:...I try to ride maybe once a week, again depends on my schedule, and when I do ride it is walk or trot only because I don't want to hurt him....
I have attached pics of him, his mats, his pasture, and his awful feet...
Pasture is normal florida pasture? can get dry in winter months, but I am pretty sucessful at maintaining some type of grass year round so he is never just standing in a sand pit, like some fla horses do! In the rainy season (current) it doesn't hold water, as you can see from the pic (taken today)....
So, the thrush comes back... use meds.... clears up.... comes back... clears up.... my farrier falls off the face of the earth last month... I get a "new" guy, recommended by feed store! this guy, trims him, says feet look great? (not seeing what I see?) takes his money and leaves... june 27... I saddle him up that evening for a ride and he acts like he has glass in his feet...NEVER happened before? so I take him home...wash and check his feet... the "flat" part of the bottom of his feet look "lumpy" like they do before trim time is due (EVERY 6 weeks faithfully)... since farrier was JUST here that day? I call him...he says horse's feet are fine and maybe he hurt his leg???? so, I panic.... rub his legs with absorbine and leave stalled til morning... by morning he CAN NOT WALK!!!! will not turn on his feet, either left or right? sort of hops to turn instead of twisting on his feet, which makes me think sore feet again.... I tape big sponges to the bottoms of his feet, and within hours, MAJOR improvement... NEW FARRIER is an idiot.... call another guy...recommended by girl at TSC.... he comes out, says hoof were cut too short and shaves off excess growth from bottom, and tells me that the thrush is VERY SEVERE....????? tells me to treat all 4 feet twice a day with mix of 50% DMSO, 50% iodine for 7 days, then once every other day until he comes back.... ok, I am doing that, my horse is no longer "ouchy"...but his frogs are basically gone... just wondering if there is ANYTHING that will promote faster growth in the frog? here are pics....

ljazwinski 07-09-2012 05:28 PM

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here are the rest of the pics....

Oldhorselady 07-09-2012 05:28 PM

Has anyone else used DMSO on frogs? I have tons of betadine paint and betadine scrub....can I use one of those too to help with thrush?

ljazwinski 07-09-2012 05:35 PM

thanks in advance for any help and/or advice anyone can give me.... I AM NOT GOOD WITH FEET...but trying to learn.... have always just relied on what the farrier says......

DRichmond 07-09-2012 05:38 PM

Hi,

I would lower his heels and bars more, so once the frog grows it can touch the ground and pump as nature intended. You can use pine tar for the frog meanwhile.


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