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NorthernMama 07-18-2012 06:34 PM

3yr old collie & night time toilet training (long)
 
This got a lot longer than I intended. Kudos to anyone that reads it all.

In a nutshell, from time to time our dog will urinate in the house overnight. How can I train him not to do this?

Story:
We have had the dog for about a year now. He is insanely happy all the time. It's really, really hard to scold him because he just looks at you and wags his tail like he's saying, "That's ok. I love you guys anyway. Can we play now?"

He is intensely emotionally linked to us. If one of us isn't home, he is watching the driveway or the hallway. If two of us are away, he won't play. We have only left him alone overnight once, about a month ago. The next night, when we all were home, he urinated in the house. Since we got him, we could link every "accident" to a stressor, so we figured we just had to be aware of that and we'd be OK.

The usual routine for him is that we put him out between 10 and 11 PM to "go bathroom." Then around 7 AM he goes out again. He sleeps in our bedroom all night. The bedroom door is left open.

98% of the time all is good. But last night, he did it again. No reason that we can think of -- we are all here doing our usual thing. He was put out on schedule. However, I did not watch to ensure he urinated outside, so maybe he didn't. If my truck (his bathroom) isn't just outside the door, I usually walk out with him to make sure he goes. The truck was there, so I didn't bother.

So, this morning, I saw he had peed in the hallway to the kitchen. This has been his place of choice for 3 of the 4 mistakes he has had over the year. I called him out from the bedroom to the area. I had a little conversation with him in a stern voice, but I didn't actually give him heck because I wasn't sure he would connect the discipline with the action. He actually lowered his tail, which was amazing for him. I immediately put him outside. Then I cleaned up.

He is a quiet dog. He has only learned how to bark and whine in the last 3 months or so. He never barks or whines to go outside. He will hold it forever if we are near him. So much so that once it looked like he still had his hoo-haas. When he starts to pace in the house, we let him out. But we are outside so much, it's really rare for him to be in the house for longer than 5 hours at a stretch except overnight. I work at home some days, so those are the 5 hours indoor times.

So, how in blazes do I deal with this? He won't whine or bark overnight. If he paces, I don't hear him. Usually if a dog paces or a kid wakes up, I wake up right away and deal with whatever. I can't discipline him if I can't catch him and it's so infrequent that there is no way I can plan anything.

Help?

farmpony84 07-18-2012 10:59 PM

My collie only has accidents (diarreah) when we go out of town and he gets upset. So I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe crate him when you are away? We've gotten to where we'll take ours with us if we can. He is ok for one night alone but any longer then he gets stressed and messes....

NorthernMama 07-19-2012 07:43 AM

Maybe it's a collie thing. He's also part Australian Shepherd, if that matters.

Yesterday when my husband and son tried to leave for work, the dog jumped into the truck and MDH had a heck of a time getting him out. Bandit (the dog) became one with the floor and was trying to grab onto the truck floor with his claws. He absolutely always wants to be around people.

What I don't understand is why he pees in the house overnight when we are home? We have come back, all is now good in the dog world and yet that night he makes a mess. It's not when we are away, it's when we are back.

wetrain17 07-19-2012 09:43 AM

When do you usually let him out last at night and what time do you get up to let me out in the morning?

kait18 07-19-2012 09:49 AM

since he is a breed for herding and being active do you think maybe he heard something outside?? maybe when he reacts to noise he cant see stresses him somehow? just an idea..not sure if that would be an issue...i know with my bc/beagle mix pup, noise she cant see where its coming from she will urinate in spot in like freeze mode just drop and pee because she is unsure of whats going on type thing... maybe sometimes that happens to him??

NorthernMama 07-19-2012 10:20 PM

Kait, it's possible, but it seems to coincide with our absences and honestly, he seems to think that WE are the guard dogs. The only thing he is interested in outside is whether the people are out there or not, or the cats that live here. If a stray cat shows up, he's not interested; if people walk by on the road, he's not interested; thunderstorms he lies quietly whereever he is, and just watches us. The only time he has ever chased anything away happened when MDH started throwing rocks and yelling at a growling stray dog. Bandit got the idea and put his two cents in.

wetrain17 -- as per opening post: The usual routine for him is that we put him out between 10 and 11 PM to "go bathroom." Then around 7 AM he goes out again. I know that's not too long for him because 99% of the time, there is no problem.

kait18 07-23-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NorthernMama (Post 1606482)
Kait, it's possible, but it seems to coincide with our absences and honestly, he seems to think that WE are the guard dogs. The only thing he is interested in outside is whether the people are out there or not, or the cats that live here. If a stray cat shows up, he's not interested; if people walk by on the road, he's not interested; thunderstorms he lies quietly whereever he is, and just watches us. The only time he has ever chased anything away happened when MDH started throwing rocks and yelling at a growling stray dog. Bandit got the idea and put his two cents in.

wetrain17 -- as per opening post: The usual routine for him is that we put him out between 10 and 11 PM to "go bathroom." Then around 7 AM he goes out again. I know that's not too long for him because 99% of the time, there is no problem.

if it coinsides with you guys not being around and he is doing when your around what if you kept him in his crate or locked in your room during nights. that way he knows you guys are always around..

something like that might help but i dont know how you feel about a dog being in your room. i hate it but she is allowed to lay in her bed right outside my door. and anywhere else in the house with me.

that might help with the potty stuff but might make it worse for you guys when separated :/

Ladytrails 07-23-2012 04:27 PM

Northern, I'd rule out a low-grade urinary tract infection by taking him to the vet right after the next accident, or check into it being something associated with his anxiety. We have BCs and I've had some accidents lately this summer, as well - esp when their schedules are disrupted. This web site had some interesting info to try to tease out the reason for the accidents: 01 Housetraining Accidents: Causes and Solutions - VeterinaryPartner.com - a VIN company! .

COWCHICK77 07-23-2012 05:30 PM

Dogs don't like to go to the bathroom where they eat or sleep. A over simplified solution may be closing the bedroom door at night or crate training like someone else mentioned. But of course if it is a medical issue or stress it probably wont help but it might narrow the possibilities.

NorthernMama 07-23-2012 08:40 PM

Thanks all. Ladytrails, I'm going to check out that link.

There is no way that it makes sense that it is even a low-grade infection. Once in months and no other issues does not make sense for infection, especially when I know it is related to separation. But why delayed??? Maybe after reading the link I will know more.

He usually does sleep in our room, but I don't like to close the door because then I can't hear the phone or our son. I could do a baby gate, I guess. Especially since I only need to worry about it when the people's schedule is upset.

A crate would be great, but our house, honestly, is just too small. Especially now that I have to babysit some of our older son's belongings for a year or so. There truly isn't the 6 square feet of floor space available.


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