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HorsesRForever 07-21-2012 06:53 AM

Conformation Critique on this Arabian?
 
I'm trying to learn how to judge horses. My friends and I have written down our opinions on this horse (randomly picked - we literally just closed our eyes then clicked on something from the Arabians for sale ad). If this is your horse, then we hope we haven't offended you by posting it.



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Anyways, tell us what you think, so we know which one of us was best?
Also, what discipline do you think this would be best for?

uflrh9y 07-21-2012 09:15 AM

My first reaction as I find it interesting that there are no full body pictures. It's like they don't want you to see his leg conformation or is back and hindquarters (except for when he was 2 and younger). To me his head is too long, his ears are too long, and his neck is not long enough. His shoulder looks nice as a colt and in the second picture (of course he is trotting and his leg is extended so it will make it look longer then it is).

Speed Racer 07-21-2012 09:27 AM

The pictures chosen by the owner are to show off his flash and movement, they're not good shots for a conformation critique. Besides, this isn't your horse or one you plan on purchasing, so nobody has the right to critique him.

As far as for what disciplines he might be best suited, I'd want to know his bloodlines and what his sire, dam, and siblings have done successfully. Any reputable breeder has a reason they put together the dam and sire to produce this particular horse.

If you and your friend want to post your own horses for critique, I'll he more than happy to tell you what I see. Some random horse pulled off a sale site without permission of the owner, no.

uflrh9y 07-21-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Speed Racer (Post 1608335)
The pictures chosen by the owner are to show off his flash and movement, they're not good shots for a conformation critique. Besides, this isn't your horse or one you plan on purchasing, so nobody has the right to critique him.

As far as for what disciplines he might be best suited, I'd want to know his bloodlines and what his sire, dam, and siblings have done successfully. Any reputable breeder has a reason they put together the dam and sire to produce this particular horse.

If you and your friend want to post your own horses for critique, I'll he more than happy to tell you what I see. Some random horse pulled off a sale site without permission of the owner, no.

I'm fairly new here, but is this a rule? I'm not sure I understand why one can't do conformation critique of a horse for practice if it is not theirs? It's from a for sale site, so obviously they posted the pictures for public viewing and expect people to critique in order to purchase. For horse judging teams, they always critique pictures of various horses pulled from the web or magazines just for the sake of practicing.

Again, maybe it's a rule on this forum and if so I will gladly remove my critique. Thank you.

Speed Racer 07-21-2012 10:04 AM

Yes, it's a rule. But it shouldn't have to be, because unless an owner is specifically asking you to tear apart their horse it's in extremely bad taste, regardless if the animal is up for sale.

Posting pictures on a sale ad is NOT an invitation for random people to critique a horse. I'd be livid if I found pictures of mine being torn apart by people I don't know.

Besides, 'ears too long'? How is that relevant? That's not a point to critique, it's a personal prejudice.

uflrh9y 07-21-2012 10:20 AM

Wow. Well I don't consider conformation critique as pulling apart or bashing a horse. So maybe that is the difference between how you see it and how I see it. But please realize that there are people here, including myself, who don't know the rules and maybe it would be in better taste to kindly explain them. I don't believe the original posters had the intention of being mean or bashing someone's horse and I know for certain I sure didn't.

And ears are very relevant on the Arab. This is from the Purebred Arabian Standard of Excellence manual...
Quote:

The head is a distinctive feature of the Arabian breed. It should be short with a broad forehead and deep circular jowls set wide apart, and tapers to a small, refined muzzle. The ears are short, pricked and alert with fine edges and well defined tips curved delicately inwards.
The op stated that this was for practice for horse judging so one should judge based off the standard. I've judged Arab halter classes back in the day, so that is where I was coming from. It has nothing to do with personal prejudice but breed standard.

QtrBel 07-21-2012 10:46 AM

My impression when reading the courtesies when I joined was this was a no-no. I'll add though back when I kept several horse mag subscriptions up to date there were confirmation sections just for this purpose. They are a tool to use to learn to critique as well as place. I know I found several cattle sites that offered this as well and used them as a tool for my students. Maybe your library has back issues of a mag that you could use so that you could practice with several.

uflrh9y 07-21-2012 10:56 AM

Thank you QtrBel. I completely understand if this is a forum rule and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

My favorite section of Practical Horseman was the conformation section at the back. I used to cut them out back in the day. Brings back memories.

To the op'ers, if you would like to pm me, I will gladly help in your reasons. Another good idea is to join a 4-H horse judging team. Good luck!

Joe4d 07-21-2012 12:03 PM

I just reread forum rules. The only thing I see relevant is rule 8 that specifically says it is ok to post pictures of other horses. Those pictures are posted on a public forum.
DOnt really see the reason to post a link to a for sale add though. You could have google image searched Arabians and posted some good shots to discuss, maybe post a pic you think is good and one you think is bad. Probably learn alot more that way. Id be pretty interested in that. Concerning the add you did post. I dont really see anyway to judge one way or the other. In an attempt to be artistic the seller basically didnt publish any decent confirmation shots.
Im gonna look for some confirmation shots of two horses one I like and one I think is bad and see what you guys think

uflrh9y 07-21-2012 01:20 PM

Maybe we could get an admin here to clarify the rules. I think a conformation thread of random pictures to practice would be a great idea.


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