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Hoofprints in the Sand 07-23-2012 09:42 AM

Pelham in Hunters?
 
So my girl CAN go in a simple dee snaffle bit, BUT she goes MUCH better right now in a short shank (Tom Thumb) Pelham (and yes, I use double reins, not a converter).

I'd like to show her in the Pelham, but I don't want that to negatively affect our scores in the show ring. Being new to the Hunter world, I do know that Pelhams are allowed, but I don't really know how that might affect pinning.

So far, I've heard both ways...I have heard that judges don't look negatively on the use of a Pelham as long as it's being used properly (double reins and you hold/use them properly, NO converter). But I have ALSO heard the opposite - that 2 rides all things considered equal, the horse in the snaffle will pin higher because the Pelham is seen as a stronger bit and Hunters is all about having a horse who can be ridden effortlessly.

Anyone have any personal insight either way?

Hoofprints in the Sand 07-23-2012 10:26 AM

By the way for reference, this is what my Pelham looks like...
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...5Iay1S_IiC1oKi

jinxremoving 07-23-2012 10:31 AM

Like a lot of things in the hunter world it really depends on the individual judge and how they feel about riding with a Pelham. There's just no way for any of us to say you should do one or the other. It's frustrating because if it's legal then the judge should never mark you down for it, but you know it happens... as to how common that is, who knows. (This is why I don't do hunter, leaves far too much up for debate when it comes to scoring.)

Edit:

Where I live, not a lot of people use a Pelham when showing hunters.

JustDressageIt 07-23-2012 10:34 AM

Actually pelham bits are all the rage in the hunter ring. Even if a horse doesn't need one, you may see it in the ring with a Pelham. I think it's something like western horses showing in a curb - showing that they can quietly pack around a "bigger" bit - that's just my speculation though. Anyways, you won't look out of place in the hunter ring whatsoever.
Just don't use a kimberwicke or converter.
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Hoofprints in the Sand 07-23-2012 10:42 AM

Thank you both for the feedback...yeah I have never used a converter...when my trainer taught me how to use the Pelham she taught me the correct way, with 2 sets of reins, riding mainly on the outside snaffle rein and only engaging the curb when/if I need it.

But my horse respects the Pelham a LOT more than a regular snaffle with no leverage. She rounds her back and travels on her hind better with the Pelham...with the snaffle she was doing a lot of fighting and sticking her nose up in the air and travelling hollowed out. I tried to work through it with her first, pushing her forward with seat and legs and encouraging her to track up, but after about a month of doing that, lots and lots of transitions, and weekly lessons with my trainer, it was time to go back to an old training method we had used before, Mr. Pelham! ;-)

The travelling around hollowed out was my main concern, as she was making herself very sore doing that. Now with the Pelham she's back to her usual self, rounded and off the forehand and travelling beautifully again! The day will come when I switch back to her regular snaffle again, but I love the Pelham as a good temporary training tool to remind her how to travel without picking fights with her mouth...I have to barely touch her with the Pelham, so I love the refinement.

Hoofprints in the Sand 07-23-2012 11:42 AM

Anyone a current Hunter showing here in the U.S. and if so, could you give me your personal experience one way or the other?

equiniphile 07-23-2012 12:01 PM

If you look at hunter competitors at the top, they almost all use pelhams. If she goes better in it, go ahead and show in it. :-)

gypsygirl 07-23-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt (Post 1610969)
Actually pelham bits are all the rage in the hunter ring. Even if a horse doesn't need one, you may see it in the ring with a Pelham. I think it's something like western horses showing in a curb - showing that they can quietly pack around a "bigger" bit - that's just my speculation though. Anyways, you won't look out of place in the hunter ring whatsoever.
Just don't use a kimberwicke or converter.
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western horses cant show in a snaffle if they are over 5yo, thats why you see so many curbs !!

i agree with above posters, i see a lot of hunters in pelhams, but the odd judge may mark you down for it. i would just ride in it if she goes better in it.

Hoofprints in the Sand 07-23-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gypsygirl (Post 1611079)
i would just ride in it if she goes better in it.

I thought about this too...if she doesn't go as well in a snaffle, there won't even BE a "tie breaker" option for us :lol: HAH! So it's kind of a moot point at the moment I guess, well, if my trainer is alright with it, I think I'm showing in the Pelham then! :wink:

JustDressageIt 07-23-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gypsygirl (Post 1611079)
western horses cant show in a snaffle if they are over 5yo, thats why you see so many curbs !!
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Yes, the idea behind that being they are well trained to subtle seat and leg cues, with subtle rein (rein, not necessarily bit) cues and do not need to be direct reined.
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