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AnitaAnne 07-30-2012 03:10 AM

Truck & Trailer advise
 
I am in the market for a 3 horse trailer and looking for some good information regarding trucks & trailers.

I currently have a F150 4.6L XLT extended cab with tow package, no electric brakes because the trailer has them. It is a 2003 with 150,000 mile on it. According to the information I can find, if should be able to tow 6900 pounds.

I have a Brenderup 2 horse trailer with self-contained inertia brakes (similar to a boat trailer?). The weight of the trailer is 1800-2000 pounds. Empty, I can't even feel the trailer back there, it is so well balanced. I haul two 15 hand +/- horses without any problem driving 65-70 mph on highways. The trailer has no sway at all, ever.

I need a three horse trailer so I can take both my girls with me on trail rides or to friends, maybe a show, but rarely if ever trips longer than 100 miles or so.

I have looked at stock trailers, which weigh around 2000-2500 pounds, or some 3 horse slant loads that weigh 2200 to 3000+ pounds.

I really want a tack area though, if my truck can handle it, and I need to keep the price as low as possible.

The trailers that seem to be the lowest weight with the most options, are the Shadow brand, aluminum 3 horse slant with tack room at 2620 pounds.

Can anyone give me some info on trailer options or weights, and can my truck even handle the load?

The way I calculate it is 2600 for the trailer + 3000 for the horses + 500 for people & tack = 6100 pounds about max for the truck and maybe higher than I want to go...

Thank you, in advance, for any help.

Joe4d 07-30-2012 05:20 AM

I had that truck and engine, It couldnt get out of its own way with a 2800lb trailer and two horses. My personal opinion is with that truck you are about maxed out where you are at. My F150 FX4 5.4HO with 4.10 gears max tow package did fine with a 3200 lb aluminum gooseneck and two horses with gear, I would say maxed I pulled was 6k I originally speced it out to pull one horse and have a stall for gear, but that engine has nearly 100 more horsepower than your 4.6, plus the lower granny gear rearend. However after recent experiences with the 5.4 I wouldnt wish it on anyone, pretty insulting that I am a marine engineer but need to tow it to the shop to get spark plugs changed because they tend to break off inside the engine, ford has known this for years and did nothing to correct it, the engines also have a habit of breaking exhaust manifold nuts off in the block. Everything on it was nearly impossible to work on, so I traded it for a 2006 dodge cummings turbo diesel. ALthough I can see a lower overall quality in build, they thing is wide open and so easy to work on.

AnitaAnne 07-30-2012 05:43 AM

Hay Joe, I was hoping you'd respond because you know alot about engines/towing capacity.

What kind of trailer did you have? I see so many trailers now with pointed noses, instead of the old square fronts, I just wondered if they towed easier.

I used to have a Dodge Ramcharger (PofST) and a 2000 lb stock trailer, I could load up 4 horses in it and pull it ok for a few years, but as the truck aged it couldn't haul it so I bought the Brenderup. Then I only had one horse, so it worked fine. The stupid Ramcharger swayed more by itself than with the trailer. I am nervous of a Dodge...

The trailer dealers keep telling me my truck will be fine hauling 3000 lbs, but I don't believe it. I can't get good info from truck dealers either!

What about a van? That would give me a place to sleep too...

AnitaAnne 07-30-2012 05:47 AM

My truck's differencial is 3.55 according to the sticker the axle code is 19.

Joe4d 07-30-2012 06:23 AM

yeh that was what I had in my 4.6 truck, that engine makes a good zippy mustang engine, not ideal for a towing rig. Yep as you have seen seems like Ford trucks are better built everrywhere but the engines, But man Dodges seem to be ruling the roost under the hoods for quite some time.
Yeh truck and trailer dealers are just that, they wanna sell you what they have. When I was fed up up with my 4.6 a truck dealer tried to sell me on the 4.6 HO as it had more horse power yadda yadda, yeh Bullcrap, it only had more horsepower because ford raised the redline, who drives around with an engine at 5500 rpm ? You also have to pay real good attention to those lightweight stock trailers. Legally "Stock" can mean anything, so I could build a stock trailer that will physically fit 4 horses, yet only put 3500 lb axles on them. Thats why actual horse trailers take a big jump in weight between a 2 horse and a 3 horse. They get much heavier axle and suspensions at that point. While a horse trailer has legal requirements. If a manufacturer sells a 4 horse trailer rest assured it must be designed to safely haul 4 horses. A stock trailer with room for 4 horses with nothing in the specs that mentions horses has no legal minimum weight rating.
So make sure it is rated to pull what you want to put in it, It must be on the trailer data tag.
Yep your truck would be fine at 3000 lbs, but 3000lbs is empty weight. not loaded. Now if you add an electric brake controller, uses some common sense towing, and stay out of the mountains you could probably safely tow 6000 lbs, but ud be putting a heck of a load on that engine and sucking fuel like there's no tommorrow, not to mention your exhaust temps gonna shoot up, so be ready for exhaust gasket leaks.

sorry but not really any good solution for you, other than make two trips or move up to a 3/4 ton and a bigger engine.

AnitaAnne 07-30-2012 07:00 AM

Yeah, that is what I thought. It already sucks fuel, I only get 10 miles to the gallon towing now.

The stock trailers do have the 3500 axles, some of the 3 horse trailer do too. Some have the 5000 lb axles. And yes, I have noticed it makes a huge difference in weight, but I wasn't thinking it wouldn't be safe with the 3500 lb ones.

i must not have been thinking straight! I sure don't want the axles cracking on a new trailer! I had a friend who that happened to on a 5 yr old Sundowner two horse straight load. She drives it alot, with a 17+ hand horse or two, but still was scary and shouldn't have happened. Sundowner replaced them, but she wound up buying a new trailer anyway.

The P of Sh Dodge I had was in the shop so many times I am not sure I could trust another one.

I either want a bigger truck and a gooseneck, or another bumper pull and maybe a van? I have seen some used vans fairly inexpensive that seem like they might have big enough engines on EBay.

What about a Chevy Van? I have had good luck with Chevy cars, don't know about the trucks, I have always liked Ford trucks, but maybe I can change.

I have been sleeping in one of the trailer stalls on a cot when I am out overnight & I would rather have something better to sleep in.

AnitaAnne 07-30-2012 07:08 AM

PS - I am in the mountains, can't avoid them and I need enough power for them. Plus I drive thru Atlanta several times a year - six lanes in one direction and folks driving like idiots, I need to be able to stop & go easily.

Just driving up I- 75 to Kentucky to get my Rocky I had some problems because I bought some bad gas. Was fine on the way back, but it worried me and I drove a little slower, max 65 per hr. The semi trucks about ran me over.

mind 07-30-2012 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AnitaAnne (Post 1622007)
Yeah, that is what I thought. It already sucks fuel, I only get 10 miles to the gallon towing now.

The stock trailers do have the 3500 axles, some of the 3 horse trailer do too. Some have the 5000 lb axles. And yes, I have noticed it makes a huge difference in weight, but I wasn't thinking it wouldn't be safe with the 3500 lb ones.

i must not have been thinking straight! I sure don't want the axles cracking on a new trailer! I had a friend who that happened to on a 5 yr old Sundowner two horse straight load. She drives it alot, with a 17+ hand horse or two, but still was scary and shouldn't have happened. Sundowner replaced them, but she wound up buying a new trailer anyway.

The P of Sh Dodge I had was in the shop so many times I am not sure I could trust another one.

I either want a bigger truck and a gooseneck, or another bumper pull and maybe a van? I have seen some used vans fairly inexpensive that seem like they might have big enough engines on EBay.

What about a Chevy Van? I have had good luck with Chevy cars, don't know about the trucks, I have always liked Ford trucks, but maybe I can change.

I have been sleeping in one of the trailer stalls on a cot when I am out overnight & I would rather have something better to sleep in.

If I had a choice of truck from any of the three manufacturers and towing a heavy load was a priority, I would choose a Chevy. A 3/4 ton+ 06/07 Duramax/Allison, to be precise. Although Dodge is the leader engine wise with the Cummins, which is an absolutely outstanding engine, the transmissions haven't be great in my personal experience. The Duramax engine is very good overall, and the Allison trans is the best in any truck out there, and that tips the scales for me. The 01-04 Duramax/Allison has injector issues, so if you can afford the later generation that's great, but those are the only significant issue I know of on those years so it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Both my Ford trucks needed repairs fairly often, I'm no longer a fan.

I know some of the various manufacturers full size vans have had similar suspensions to trucks, but I don't know much about them overall. I've slept in a pick up bed with a canopy quite comfortably many times.

AnitaAnne 07-30-2012 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mind (Post 1622036)
If I had a choice of truck from any of the three manufacturers and towing a heavy load was a priority, I would choose a Chevy. A 3/4 ton+ 06/07 Duramax/Allison, to be precise. Although Dodge is the leader engine wise with the Cummins, which is an absolutely outstanding engine, the transmissions haven't be great in my personal experience. The Duramax engine is very good overall, and the Allison trans is the best in any truck out there, and that tips the scales for me. The 01-04 Duramax/Allison has injector issues, so if you can afford the later generation that's great, but those are the only significant issue I know of on those years so it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

Both my Ford trucks needed repairs fairly often, I'm no longer a fan.

I know some of the various manufacturers full size vans have had similar suspensions to trucks, but I don't know much about them overall. I've slept in a pick up bed with a canopy quite comfortably many times.

Thanks for the input. I hate to sound dumb, but is that engine a gas burner or deisel?

I have a truck tent for the bed of my truck, but it gets really hot in there. Plus can't carry anything in it, so it has to be all set up each time.

I have two friends with vans with bumper pulls, one a conversion the other a 13 passenger with a few seats pulled out. I am liking the idea of loading it up with gear and leaving it in there. But I sure like the way a gooseneck pulls, and the bed could stay in there too.

mind 07-30-2012 07:47 AM

Duramaxes are diesel burners.


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