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Syman 08-16-2012 07:52 AM

Free, "Free Form" Horse Training Videos on Youtube
Patrick Kaye's DVD on Training horses using the Free Form method is now available for free on Youtube. Nothing to sell, just free information on a quicker and kinder way of training horses.

loveduffy 08-16-2012 11:45 AM

thank you for the information and welcome to the forum

tinyliny 08-16-2012 01:48 PM

they seem very concise and practical , though I only watched a few.

I am not too keen on relying on talking when working with horses, but I do get what he means when he says that the talking is for US, not the horse, as it helps us stay focussed on what we are doing if we are not naturally able to keep a good focus. Some folks talk way too much when working with horses and the horse no longer pays any attention to their words or their actions.

Syman 08-16-2012 02:20 PM

I guess this video is the one that made me watch the rest, the system seems to revolve around using the horses intellect to make it do what you want rather than using a bit in the horses mouth.

bsms 08-16-2012 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Syman (Post 1648098)
...the system seems to revolve around using the horses intellect to make it do what you want rather than using a bit in the horses mouth.

That is true of any trainer. You cannot control a horse with a bit. You can only communicate your desires.

Part of what turned me off was his references to 'pain inflicting devices' - ie, bits. Bits are used for communication, not to inflict enough pain to force submission.

Saying a girth is tight enough if the saddle doesn't bounce isn't something I'd want a new rider to hear...'tighten it with your fingers'. That advice could get you hurt when your horse does more than walk. Posting by moving your legs back and forth doesn't do much for me either. His advice for sitting a trot isn't entirely bad if you are using a western saddle, but isn't so good for someone using a jump saddle. And my horses will trot a lot better if I use a forward seat than if I use his 'lean back' method. Going eyeball to eyeball with your horse is another bit of advice I wouldn't endorse.

If someone followed his methods, I wouldn't let them on or near my horses.

natisha 08-16-2012 03:28 PM

I watched a few. He uses pressure & release...and a Kimberwicke bit on the lower slot without a curb chain.

smrobs 08-16-2012 04:26 PM

Just from the few I've managed to watch, he seems like just another person hoping to get famous by giving folks yet another way to anthropomorphize their horses:?.

canterburyhorsetrailrider 08-16-2012 04:27 PM

I have been around all sorts of horses for years and have watched and listened to countless people going on about horse training and behaviour.....

Everyone who comes into contact with a horse learns from others and their own input into how they think their horse should be trained.

I have seen everything from the horse whisperer to bruit force in the so called training.

We have been to watch all sorts of experts who travel the world preeching that there way is best...

People all over are sucked into what these folks say and try... often failing to impliment these practises...

After a while we start to see a pattern when talking to all sorts,, we start to hear repeated things that seem to work..

Unfortunately, some horses that have had several owners and or riders become confused, and dont trust anyone.. these horses are often known as trouble.... they are not trouble.... often just been mistreated, or mistrained, and start to have to defend themselves, they are often just scared...

I have grown up in a high country sheep station enviroment where sometimes bruit force has been used by some to get their horse to do as told..

Cowboys cant catch their horse, in the morning, and run around trying to corner said horse......... then as frustrations rise and they finally do catch it...... I have witnessed some of these idiots putting their boot into the horses stomach...... or lashing the horse in frustration with the end of the lead rope.... no wonder the horse is making itself scares in the mornings..

I hated all my life seeing this behaviour,, still do.... Whips, spurs and chains are for the bedroom.. not needed by most horses in training and riding..

Folks expect too much too soon from the poor old horse... said horse needs time to look at you and possibly to accept you as his or her leader..

Has your horse accepted you....... as its leader..?? probably not..!

Give your horse time... learn to talk quietly with your horse..gentle ongoing repeative asking and doing combined with a variety of outings and tasks I have found this is a key to starting a great horse relationship....

I am proud of all our horses, with many having arrived with attitude and a difficult ride to say the least, but given time and a homelife they learn to trust and feel secure.. these are just a couple of keys to teaching your horse trust...

Trust from your horse is one of the biggest issues folks overlook... your horse is playing up today... he is not playing up... he is afraid of what you are asking him to do.. he may be out of his comfort zone and you dont realise it... training to have a great bombproof and reliable horse takes time, knowledge, and patients....

Speed Racer 08-16-2012 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by canterburyhorsetrailrider (Post 1648276)
Whips, spurs and chains are for the bedroom.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Something I did NOT need to know about someone's predilections. There is such a thing as too much sharing. :-x

smrobs 08-16-2012 04:45 PM

Wow, just watched his video on rising trots. If your feet are swinging all over the place every time you post, how exactly are you supposed to cue for anything with your leg...or keep your horse sensitive to your cues?

I wonder if he's even capable of asking for bend in the rising trot. My guess would be "no".

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