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barrelbeginner 08-20-2012 03:56 PM

My rant..~
I have nothing agaist people that take lessons and ride at top barns and what not.. Good for you.. I WISH I had the means to do so.. But, so many of those Top Riders.. and lesson takers.. think us non-lesson takers have no idea what we are doing.. We may not have a 500,000 horse.. But at least we love them not by the amount of money we paid for them, but the heart and effort that, that certain horse does for us. I paid 500 for my horse Poncho and I wouldnt sell him for a MILLION..

horses aren't just a paycheck to me. My 500$ horse can do just as much as your 40 thousand$ horse can.. It may take longer.. and maybe he wont be able to do it.. but they only reason we couldnt make it happen would be because he DOESNT enjoy it.

MY 1500 horse your 500 horse.. and someones 500000 are all the same.. just progressing at different rates..

Don't judge a horse by its price tag.. and DON'T judge a ride by how many lessons he/she has had, but by the heart and willingness the horse and rider have..

sorry people get on my nerves.. lol probably makes no sense.. but you know where Im coming from? maybe.. lol

Failbhe 08-20-2012 04:09 PM

Mhmm, I know where you're coming from barrelbeginner. My horse cost me $600. And I wouldn't love her any more or less if it was $6000 or $60,000. I am fully aware that she'll probably never be able to compete at the same levels as a $60,000 horse (though who knows, strange things happen), and for me, that's just fine. It doesn't make me any less attached to her or have less right to call myself a 'horse owner'/'horse rider.'

I am planning to take some lessons, just because I know there are a lot of holes in my riding knowledge (my dad and my experience have taught me everything I know, and my dad taught himself) but I don't think it will elevate me above people who haven't.

Roperchick 08-20-2012 04:18 PM

i can understand where your coming from...but then agin, just remember everybody is brougth up different, some people will never know what it is to own a $100,000 dollar horse, and for them, that is their business, that may be how they make their living so yeah theyll be treating that horse differently than others.

but look at it this way, a cowboy with a $50 broomtail will sometimes treat their horse the same way a rich kid with a $50,000 will. it just depends on the person...

dont get me wrong, i know how it feels taking my $200 grade colt into a show with $50,000-$70,000 registered QH's, getting looked down on for not having $1000 show outfits...sometimes i would beat them, others they would beat me.

some of them were very proffesional and courteous, polite. others were snooty rub it in your faces....then again, so are the $200 owners sometimes...

some barrel racers would shoulder me out because i was a "shower" and a rodeor....tis not always about the money spent....but i get it...oooh do i get it

Speed Racer 08-20-2012 04:27 PM

Sorry, but someone who has taken professional lessons IS going to be ahead of you in the riding curve. You might not like it, but it's the truth. There are some things you simply can't learn to do on your own.

As far as a $50,000 horse being better than a $500 one? Maybe, maybe not, but I'd lay odds the $50,000 horse is getting professional training, as opposed to your $500 one being trained by you.

I can't imagine paying that kind of money for an animal, but for people at the top of their game they need a horse whose bloodlines are traceable and who was specifically bred for their sport. With a $500 backyard bred grade you have no clue what you're getting, and those folks can't take that chance.

Nobody's telling you not to try or that you can't or shouldn't compete, but your reverse snobbery is just as ugly as people looking down on you because of the cost of your animal.

If you want to reach the pinnacle of a sport, you need the proper equipment. For riders, that's professional training and a horse bred for the sport. There have been exceptions to the rule, but they're extremely few and far between.

FWIW, my last horse was free. Of course, I put a heck of a lot of training dollars into him, but that was for my own safety and the fact that I don't have enough arrogance to think I could take an ex-racehorse and turn him into a good equine citizen without professional help.

I love my 'freebie' just as much as anyone else loves their horse, but I don't think for one minute that I could compete with the top riders.

JustDressageIt 08-20-2012 04:30 PM

Sorry, but I do have to disagree for the most part when you're competitive. A $600 horse and a $60000 horse are generally going to be of different quality - you may have the odd "diamond in the rough" but generally speaking, there will be a discrepancy in quality. Especially for judged events like hunters and dressage - generally speaking (again, there will be the odd exception) you get what you pay for - a $600 horse will *probably* not be as competitive as the $60000 horse. The more expensive horse was bred for that discipline and has the step and movement needed to excel in the ring.
I strongly disagree with your statement about lessons - having a qualified coach to work with regularly is going to benefit your competitive career. They know what needs to be done/fixed/trained and they know how to get there in a reasonable amount of time. I don't expect to get to the 1.10+ metre ring on my own - my coach knows how to get me there. I could probably stumble through it based on my past experience, but I would bet my bottom dollar my coach will get me there better, faster and (most importantly) safer.

"My 500$ horse can do just as much as your 40 thousand$ horse can.. It may take longer.. and maybe he wont be able to do it."

No, that's the difference between your $500 horse and the $40000 horse - the $500 horse probably won't make top levels unless it's the steal of the decade... When you spend $40000, you're expecting a mid level winner. When you spend $100000+ you're expecting a national, perhaps international winner. There is a different set of expectations with a higher price tag. (With the caveat that every horse is a gamble... Some are less so.) I.E. if I was looking for a mid to upper level candidate for the hunter ring, I wouldn't expect to find it for $500.

Yes, I understand your frustration and I get your thought pattern, but I don't agree that a $500 horse is just as good as a $40000 horse, or that lessons don't matter.
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Failbhe 08-20-2012 04:44 PM

not to try and speak for the OP here, this is just in regards to me - absolutely, I agree that at a top competitive level it's a different story. My $600 gal will most likely never be able to do the kinds of things that a horse at that level will. (I say "most likely" instead of "certainly", because you never know, but I'm not holding my breath!! :lol:)

But there are a lot of people who assume that, if you don't have a five- or six-digit dollar horse, then you don't have a clue and aren't worth their time.

For example, when I went to a new school in grade nine and was trying to make friends, I approached a couple of girls who I had heard talking about horses. Turns out, all they wanted to talk about was how much money their horses cost, how much they paid their trainer, and what competitions they had won. They wanted nothing to do with my mixed-breed horse and grand ambitions of having fun on a trail ride.

Of course there is such a thing as reverse snobbery. I'd never write someone off just because they DO take lessons every week or have a horse worth more than my house - but I'd hope they'd extend me the same courtesy.

JustDressageIt 08-20-2012 04:55 PM

That I do agree with, Faibhe. You're not a better (or worse) owner if you have a $$$$ horse compared to a $ horse. However, there is an undeniable difference in monetary and competitive value between the horses, no matter how you slice it. There is an undeniable difference in riders that take lessons from qualified trainers to self taught riders. That doesn't mean that one is "better" or "worse" than the other - there is just a difference.
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Roperchick 08-20-2012 04:57 PM

i took lessons....does that make me a snob?? haha not everybody pays for top trainers lessons, alot of kids will go to a barn and work in trade of some lessons. my ex trainer (before things went bad) was like a surrogate mother to me so 99% of the time we werent really paying for lessons. i was working her horses, babysitting her kid she tok me to rodeos, helped me out at State fair yeah we still payed for "lessons" but all the other extra crap was free...

my old trainer now we dont pay for lessons any more, we just go out and do sorting, competitive trail, whateer, and learn from her still. we used to pay her for lessons but now shes like extended family.

and every time i ride with her i still learn and not paying her top dollar though.

but for them, they cant always find the one thats gonna be a bff for them....theyre training $100,000 horses and they need that caliber of trainer to help them. its a business for them. a living. not a friendship.

Failbhe 08-20-2012 05:01 PM

taking lessons better not make me a snob, since I'm planning on taking some... y'all better let me know if my personality totally changes afterwards!!! :lol:

Speed Racer 08-20-2012 05:11 PM

Nobody buys a $50,000 horse and just trail rides, so I have to think the OP wants to be considered a serious competitor.

The problem is that she's not going to get very far with her homebred grade and no professional training for either her or the horse. It's just not going to happen. Those Cinderella stories are in fairytale books for a reason.

Oh, and Roper, I disagree with you. There are many, many top riders who have a wonderful, personal relationship with their mounts. Again, it's reverse snobbery in action. I'm pretty certain that Eric Lamaze was totally crushed when Hickstead dropped dead out from under him.

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