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saraequestrian 08-18-2008 11:41 AM

Critique me and chloe
 
okay so she was really hyper today.
When she's lazy, she stretches out, like a hunter horse. When she's hyper, she stretches round, like a dressage horse. I don't really care what she's doing, as long as she's stretching. We've went from a year of a hallow back, head really high to this. And all we did was change 2 things to get this result: get her a NICE gelly pad (for her sore back), change how I ride her(again for her sore back, I used to sit really hard on her).
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...e/DSCF3587.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...e/DSCF3542.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...e/DSCF3549.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...Untitled-1.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...e/DSCF3566.jpg
I really had to open her up to get the 3 strides i wanted in between these lines. As a result, I'm disgustingly forward in both pictures.
:P
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...e/DSCF3594.jpg

doesn't she look comfortable?
You don't even WANT to see pictures of what she looked like a year ago.
She was SO green, didn't know how to jump, basically knew how to stop and how to go. And her head was so high and her back was so hallow all the time, because it hurt.

missy06 08-18-2008 11:47 AM

I don't have much to critique but I wanted to say you two make a beautiful team! :D

saraequestrian 08-18-2008 11:48 AM

thank you!

dannys_girl16 08-18-2008 11:52 AM

she's so cute! is she a thoroughbred?
oh and i just noticed you're in northern virginia, i'm moving to loudoun county in october :)

saraequestrian 08-18-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dannys_girl16
she's so cute! is she a thoroughbred?
oh and i just noticed you're in northern virginia, i'm moving to loudoun county in october :)

Yes, an ottb.
Really? that's not too far from where I am.

saraequestrian 08-18-2008 08:52 PM

anybody else?

Jubilee Rose 08-19-2008 02:35 AM

I think you will get even more of a response from her if you lighten up on her mouth. You seem to be holding pretty tight to your reins and holding her back. If its speed control you're trying to achieve, use your seat, not your hands. In the 5th picture, you are riding on your hands alot. Think about sitting back and deep into the saddle. Loosen your grip and give her her head a bit more. Its ok if she hangs it a bit lower, you can work on a headset once she gives to your hands and softens up a bit. She's very beautiful and extends nicely, but I think you could get even more impulsion from behind by relaxing your whole body, sitting back, using a ton of leg and softening your hands.
Nice job so far. She's also a very pretty jumper!

saraequestrian 08-19-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jubilee Rose
I think you will get even more of a response from her if you lighten up on her mouth. You seem to be holding pretty tight to your reins and holding her back. If its speed control you're trying to achieve, use your seat, not your hands. In the 5th picture, you are riding on your hands alot. Think about sitting back and deep into the saddle. Loosen your grip and give her her head a bit more. Its ok if she hangs it a bit lower, you can work on a headset once she gives to your hands and softens up a bit. She's very beautiful and extends nicely, but I think you could get even more impulsion from behind by relaxing your whole body, sitting back, using a ton of leg and softening your hands.
Nice job so far. She's also a very pretty jumper!

I actually have a very loose feel on her, except for that day. I don't know what it was, but she was a coocoo horse :P. Most days I ride her pretty much on the buckle and use my seat, even when we are jumping. Today I had to use more than my seat because I'm not the greatest "riding with your seat" rider yet. I come from a long line of lesson horses, and bad trainers. I didn't start riding with my seat until like 6 months ago when I got a great trainer for me and my horse (I've only owned her for a year). I only half halt when I sit if i feel like she's getting too fast.
As for the impulsion/headset deal, I'm not working on that at all... yet. She JUST got comfortable on and pain free on her back (I'm talking like a month ago) so we're still working on pace, her leads, and some jumping (just to keep her work interesting, she loves jumping). Im a hunter rider so I want her to just relax her head/neck and reach with her legs, if you get what I mean.

I REALLY appreciate the great imput, though! I'll keep what you said in mind!

Jubilee Rose 08-19-2008 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saraequestrian
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Originally Posted by Jubilee Rose
I think you will get even more of a response from her if you lighten up on her mouth. You seem to be holding pretty tight to your reins and holding her back. If its speed control you're trying to achieve, use your seat, not your hands. In the 5th picture, you are riding on your hands alot. Think about sitting back and deep into the saddle. Loosen your grip and give her her head a bit more. Its ok if she hangs it a bit lower, you can work on a headset once she gives to your hands and softens up a bit. She's very beautiful and extends nicely, but I think you could get even more impulsion from behind by relaxing your whole body, sitting back, using a ton of leg and softening your hands.
Nice job so far. She's also a very pretty jumper!

I actually have a very loose feel on her, except for that day. I don't know what it was, but she was a coocoo horse :P. Most days I ride her pretty much on the buckle and use my seat, even when we are jumping. Today I had to use more than my seat because I'm not the greatest "riding with your seat" rider yet. I come from a long line of lesson horses, and bad trainers. I didn't start riding with my seat until like 6 months ago when I got a great trainer for me and my horse (I've only owned her for a year). I only half halt when I sit if i feel like she's getting too fast.
As for the impulsion/headset deal, I'm not working on that at all... yet. She JUST got comfortable on and pain free on her back (I'm talking like a month ago) so we're still working on pace, her leads, and some jumping (just to keep her work interesting, she loves jumping). Im a hunter rider so I want her to just relax her head/neck and reach with her legs, if you get what I mean.

I REALLY appreciate the great imput, though! I'll keep what you said in mind!

No problem. Have you tried riding on the lunge without reins? Have someone lunge you as you ride, but don't use reins. Stretch your arms out in the air to help balance you, or hold them to your side. This REALLY forces you to use your seat when you ride, especially at the posting trot. It changes your whole position. Just an idea, that really helped me. :wink:

idance0nhooves 08-19-2008 12:10 PM

In the first jumping picture:
You're gripping with your knees, and consequentially, your lower leg has slid back. I think doing some stirrupless work over small grids and such would get you using your whole leg, instead of bracing with your knee, and relying on your stirrups to support your lower leg through the jump.
Your release is pretty good, but if you're trying to do a short crest, you need to lower your hands on her neck bit, they're a little too high, but not bad at all, :]
Also, make sure you work on staying out of the saddle after the jump, it kinda look like you either got left behind or just didn't get up enough.
You're looking up, which is awesome =D
Your back and shoulders also look very nice. There's not roaching or hollowing.. which again, awesomeness XD

Second picture:
LAP HANDS. Lol. Get those hands on front of you! :]
You also seem to have a bit of a death grip on the reins too, so work on a softer hand as well.
Again, you're gripping too much with your knee, and not enough with your lower leg, so really try and stretch you heel down, and wrap your legs around the horses barrel. Not as in grabbing hold for balance and security, just a nice quiet leg is always good.

Third picture:
Like you mentioned with your arms, they're a little straight, but that can be fixed, and I'm sure you've been working on it :]
You're in your horses mouth way too much, she's got her mouth open and gaped, and I can see your hands are tight on the reins.
She seems a little tight over the topline in this picture, and has fallen onto the forehand. She's probably done this because you'r in her mouth, and off her sides with her lower leg. So REALLY work on loosening up the reins, and pushing her forward.

Fourth picture:
More leg.
Less rein.
She's veryyy tight through her front end, probaby because you're bracing in her mouth.
I LOVE your heel here, it's very very nice! Kudos =D

Fifth picture:
Lengthen your stirrups ATLEAST one hole. For just being in a half seat at the canter, you're waaaay too far out of the saddle.
You've begun doing what I did, just standing on the stirrups and pinching with my knee. If she were to spook or swerve to the side for some reason, you'd be off.
I think for your half seat, you should practice it without stirrups, because you rely on them wayyy too much for your half seat to be correct and effective.
Your reins aren't as tight in this photo, but you're still kindof bracing in her mouth. Also, when you rise into half seat, let your hands follow you into a higher postion. Your hand to mouth connection is severely broken.
A half seat doesn't nessicarily mean that you get out of the saddle with your seat, it means to shift your weight to the front of your pelvis and close your hip angle in preparation for a jump.
This is what a half seat SHOULD look like:
http://www.dallashunterjumper.org/149459722-M.jpg

Last picture:
Better with your hands! they're up where they're supposed to be, but you still have an overly tight hold on the reins, especially if you just came from a jump.
Again, you're pinching with your knees, and standing in the stirrups. You've gotten into the habit of a false half seat.

From what I can tell, you rely way too much on the tack [specifically reins and stirrups] which probably also means your balance could be better. I really really strongly think you would benenfit from a lot of stirrupless riding, and riding on a lunge line without reins, so that your seat can be completely independent of the tack and aids. I honestly think you should polish yourself on the flat before you do much more jumping. You have a lottt of potential, and your horse is an a+ mover. I love the hind engagement that you get out of her, and she seems to be trying to round, but your tight rein hold does get in her way. She's vrey flashy, and I'm in love with her knee action. I think you should consider doing 3 day with her someday, because her movement seems very typey, and could get you some very nice scores in the dressage ring, with some polishing.

I would work a LOT more on pole work. Put like... a gajillion trot poles, and just work her over it. Practice lifting up her shoulders and really pushing her forward with your lower leg, because she's forehandy, and getting her a bit more on her rump, would give her a world of benefits on a jump course, or just over a set of poles.

From doing all of this, I assure you, you'll both become better athletes, and more competitive in your sport.

Hope I helped :]


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