Hey Everyone! Need some ideas for my Gelding. I just moved him to a barn to board because at my home he was VERY buddy sour. Now my new problem is I tie him in the wash rack he paces and paws. he has put me up agianst the wall a few times. when I pop his rear to push him back he starts to pull. He is really bad when there is alot of other horse traffic. I put him in the aisle yesterday to clip and brush him out, he wasent as bad, because everytime he pushed me I backed him about 20 steps forcefully. until he stood still, I placed him back into the aisle, stood for maybe a few minutes and did it agian. I couldent get any help at the barn, ( it was VERY obvious that I was struggling)I asked and they said "he is going to work through it".. I was told to tie him to a tree for hours on end and that would teach him better but.. he has NO patients no matter how long. when I go to untie him and work him in the round pen or lounge him it takes an act of congress to get his attention, when I do get the "act passed" he is perfect but drenched in sweat and wore slap out! I dont know what I am doing wrong and I know that it is going to take patients, But it seems after 2 months it has gotten no where. and many help tips would be appreciated... I've even considered hobbles??
Do as others suggested, tie him to a tree for a few hours. Tie him up on a high limb. Let him ants and dance and paw and swing to his little hearts desire. Then when he is quiet you take him off and put him away. Taking him off while he is in the middle of being a jerk only reinforces the behavior.
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If we had a horse that doesn't like to stand...they get tied to a tree or sturdy post. And the time depends on the horse. Some get tied up for a few hours...some get tied all day. They usually have a bucket of water hanging with them or I will take a bucket and offer water every so often (if they play with the bucket while hanging).
I don't tolerate horses that don't stand...especially if they have to stand tied to the trailer all night at a rodeo I don't want them farting around or destroying my trailer.
A good tying is NOT going to hurt a horse who needs it.
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I have watched him, when it is just me at the barn, he stands tied for hours, when the other horses go out of sight..now just the horses in his pasture..he goes bazerk. then when others come and horses are coming in and out he is worse. I think My major problem is I cant stay there all day.. so do you think he would do better at my house with 1 other young horse(whom wouldnt hurt for him to stand across the pasture either) and he stands tied to a tree? or better to stay at a barn where it is busy?
I would imagine you are the problem here, in that you are babying this horse, and not effectively correcting him.
And the patience deal with a horse, comes from leaving it tied and ignoring it. Horse is going to throw a fit, but will figure it out about 4 hours or so down the road. And during that time, people need to ignore him.
And if you can't get his attention in round pen, or from ground, you are going to be in trouble when riding. And if he is sweat drenched, then you are not lunging him correctly, he is not supposed to be worn out, he is supposed to be paying attention. You are doing this wrong, simply put.
The backing up deal is ineffective at the best of times for many things. Pushing is one of them. It teaches nothing, especially if the handler goes through a huge process to get it done. It becomes a game, not a correction.
This horse has not one bit of respect for you. You may be babying, soothing, or just irritating him when you do something, but trust me, he still does not respect you.
Instead of backing him up when he fidgets, give a sharp tug on lead rope/crosstie and tell him to stand still. And use a low mean voice. And then shut up. Don't yammer at this horse and talk him to death. Just be quiet.
The pushing into you, shows you are not his equal and darn sure not his boss either. He is treating you as subservient to him, and someone he can run over.
He will be no better anywhere else. It is you who is the problem. Horse is reacting as you are allowing him to.
Tie him and leave him. Correct him FIRMLY and expect him to listen. If you have been in habit of ignoring him when he does something, you are teaching him to misbehave.
And frankly, if I had been in the barn, I would not have offered to help either, if I felt like it was something the handler/owner was doing to make the horse behave like an idiot.
Too many times, experienced horse people could help, but their advice is ignored, or it is obvious the people aren't going to use it. And if you were making a production out of "stand still, back up, stop that" you were probably getting on everyone's nerves.
You would benefit from someone giving you lessons on horse handling, not riding or ground work, but just plain old fashioned horse handling.
First and Fore most I have not been "babying" this horse.I am not 12, and I am not there for lessons on riding. Second That is why I am at the barn for HELP with problems and recieved nothing, if you or the other people at my barn are arrogent enough to hear me and say that I am acting like an idiot and getting on their nerves, then offer to help and dont talk about me behind my back. or just agree to help when asked, Also I also never said I kept walking up to the horse when tied to the tree, he stands there and stays tied until it gets dark or I have to leave, which isent for hours. He was in the wash rack I was placing his boots onn I had to push him to move him because he had me between the wall and him. If I hit him hard and he paniced I wouldve gotten killed thank you very much.. If you had been there and which you obviosly were not, then you could tell me what I was doing wrong instead of imposing what i was yelling and screaming at this horse, Yes what you wrote is typical for any inexperenced person to do is act like an ass. Its people like you that let other people act like that and not say "here let me show you what you can do" instead just turn and say to everyone else in the barn acting like a high schooler and stating "that is one crazy idiot and is going to get killed." he works fine in the round pen, and lunges with no problems there no matter where we are.
Unfortunately I think a lot of people who give good advice are often hushed and met with a "my horse, my way" or a "dont hurt my schnookums" attitude. That's what keeps my mouth shut pretty often and keeps me saying "yup... There goes another good horse" or "she is going to get herself killed". Not saying that's you at all, or maybe it is, I don't know you but there is a reason people keep their head out of other people business.
Anyways, practice moving his haunches around while your holding a lead line so he is pivoting on the forehand. Push, not hard, with your hand and say over. If he doesn't listen the end and tap him progressively harder until he moves. UNTIL he moves, its only a rope can't really hurt him with it. And if it was hurting him he will move away from it. Practice until you can touch him gently and/or just use the voice command. In my barn we only have ties on the wall, no cross ties, due to the large center isle so horses can move 180 degrees. When I come over to my mare with the saddle all I have to say is "move over" and she swings her butt out to the center. VERY handy when you don't have a spare hand. ;)
PS don't put yourself in dangerous places!!!
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Palomine is 1000% right, and yes, you should be able to move the horse over with a feather, if that. You need a few lessons in horsemanship 101, and need to do some basic ground work to establish your horses respect. Some horses (I own one) need regular reminders. You will find, that if you do the groundwork and set the foundation in place, your life, as well as that of your horse, and those at the barn who watch this fiasco all the time, will be greatly improved.
Oh-and FYI-My horse ties really well, but I rarely use it. He is made to stand. Period. It is called ground tying.
You need to lose the attitude and let some of the suggestions soak in, IMO.
I suppose if you are paying for the help, then that person should be helping you. Offering assistance can be dicey at best and the hand is often bitten. It takes knowledge to correct his behaviour which you apparently don't have. Instead of blaming the horse, take a hard look at your mood when around him, how you handle him. As the horse sees it, from the survival point of view he should be leaving when the others do. Those left behind get eaten and here he is trapped and tied. He's going to die for sure. Not if he can help it. Try changing when you put him in the rack when the horses are in the barn. I am dead against cross ties as horses have been known to flip over backwards and break the withers or smash the pole. After that you won't have to worry about a disrespectful horse as he'll be dog food.
So... while I do think the tying to a tree is a valuable *part* of training, it sounds to me there's a lot more to it than just lack of patience when tied. I probably wouldn't think about tying & leaving him like that until other 'parts' were brought together.
I would strongly consider hiring yourself a good instructor/trainer to help teach you how to handle him effectively. As saddlebag mentioned, it sounds like firstly your horse is afraid of being away from other horses, especially in a new, foreign environment, which I think is important to teach them otherwise - eg. humans are good to be with & you're safe without your mates. While of course you need to do what it takes to keep safe & he will need to learn to stand tied, I don't think it's helpful to put him in that 'sink or swim' situation yet, or to punish him for panicking. Punishing fear reactions is only likely to make the underlying feeling about the situation worse.
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