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ponyboy 08-21-2008 08:19 AM

Soring at the Olympics
 
Norway will be stripped of its medal and 2 other horses have tested positive for capsaicin.

http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/equestria...an-doping.html

This is why I'm against all serious competition. It increases the potential for abuse no matter what the sport. Sure the riders will disqualified but it's too late for those horses now - They have already suffered.

upnover 08-21-2008 11:21 AM

Actually if you read the article again, it says Norway (and others) COULD be stripped of its medal but are undergoing second testing to make sure of details. Remember what happened to Ludger Beerbaum at the last olympics. He was found guilty for some substance but it turned out that it was in a topical ointment for a skin irritation that gives no advantage in competition. I haven't heard of using capsaicin to make their legs more sensitive but it's actually fairly common in several liniments/anti-inflammatory products. In fact, i've used Equi-Block on some of my horses after they've worked hard at a show. Equi-Block's description is "It is a unique menthol/capsaicin "feel good rub" indicated for the relief of minor aches and pains. It penetrates deep to soothe joints, tighten ligaments and tendons, and help reduce swelling.". So we don't know exactly why the capsaicin is in their system yet. What's stupid is that by that this level they should know what's allowed and what's not! And if they WERE using it for soring, are they stupid enough to think their horses wouldn't be tested!?

ponyboy 08-21-2008 12:22 PM

Capsaicin is banned, so why would they use it except if they were trying to cheat? Obviously they thought they could get away with it. And it burns - it would work perfectly well for soring.

upnover 08-21-2008 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ponyboy
Capsaicin is banned, so why would they use it except if they were trying to cheat? Obviously they thought they could get away with it. And it burns - it would work perfectly well for soring.

The rules are often more complicated then "don't use it". They often have time limits on how long and how much before your event you're allowed to give it to them so it'll be out of their system by the time you go. (but different horses process things differently so you have to be very careful) We put the Equi-block on right after they competed so by the time we showed again the next day it would be out of their system. Had I used it too late and was tested, my horse would have been positive for capsaicin as well and i would lose my standing with USEF.

I don't know how much capsaicin was found in their system or why but Equi-Block is not an uncomfortable "burn". I know. I've used it. :) I tried it when I strained my wrist. It removed all pain. Gave my skin a weird hot tingly feeling (not too different from Icy-Hot) but by no means painful and definitely not cruel.

I'm not saying that these people can't be guilty but I think it's important to believe innocent until proven guilty. Show jumpers use A LOT of products to help their horses perform better and the drug lists/instructions are long and complicated.

Solon 08-21-2008 03:01 PM

Banned means pretty much banned though. I read in another report that the riders knew it was banned and used it anyway.

ponyboy 08-21-2008 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upnover
I don't know how much capsaicin was found in their system or why but Equi-Block is not an uncomfortable "burn". I know. I've used it. :)

Where does it say they used Equi-Block?

Capsaicin itself most definitely can be painful if you put on too much of it... I know, I've tried it.

It's not the cheating that bothers me - that happens in all sports. It's trying to make your horse feel pain so they perform better. This is not the usual doping issue.

Solon 08-21-2008 07:07 PM

Capsaicin is an ingredient in Equi block and other similar products and it burns like you know what!

ESPECIALLY once you start moving around and your muscles start warming up with the topical on top - it can be really bad.

upnover 08-21-2008 08:05 PM

I'm not saying that they used Equi-Block, I'm saying they could have used a product like equi-block that contains capsaicin for pain relieving/anti inflammatory purposes, not purposely putting their horse in pain so they perform better. Since there are 4 of them I'm kind of doubting it, but like I said earlier I think it's important to find out the final verdict before jumping to conclusions about abuse.

Solon 08-21-2008 08:10 PM

If capsaicin is an ingredient - which is it in a lot of those products, it wouldn't matter, it's illegal. Having those horses be more sensitive to the jumps because of it does give them an unfair advantage (albeit a somewhat painful one!).

People will continue to do that because they think they won't get caught!!! It's crazy!

ponyboy 08-22-2008 07:05 PM

Just found an article that said the B-sample from the horses won't be analyzed until Saturday.

I watched the individual jumping final (I normally don't watch horse sports, only in the Olympics) and officials were removing the horses' boots after their rounds to "check their legs" so obviously they think it was soring.


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