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emms199 09-18-2012 07:55 AM

Help :Lazy horse!
 
I recently bought my first horse after having him on share for a year and a bit, however when i am trying to ride him in the school he will not walk or do anything and constently wants someone beside him , when i use my crop he will just buck and its getting me really upset :-(, we have had the vet come look at him and had the saddle fitter out and they gave us the all clear. When i go on hacks he is really hyper, any help would be much appreshiated.

Boo Walker 09-18-2012 10:52 AM

How does the groundwork go? Round pen or lunging. Maybe needs more warm up before you ride?? Glad you explored the possibility of pain or illness first before you resorted to other methods :)

jaydee 09-18-2012 11:07 AM

I wish more people would eliminate health causes first. Good for you
Does your riding out of the menage involve him following in a line of other horses or does he go out on his own or in the lead?
I am thinking two things
1 He isn't properly schooled or even broke properly so when he hasn't got another horse to follow he hasn't got a clue what to do and the bucking is just a confusion reaction. Having a person beside him would make a difference as he's been trained to be led/follow a human
2 he dislikes schooling and gets bored with it so the refusal to move and the bucking are a resistance

I'm reluctant to offer any advice on 2 without knowing the answer to 1

emms199 09-18-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo Walker (Post 1687893)
How does the groundwork go? Round pen or lunging. Maybe needs more warm up before you ride?? Glad you explored the possibility of pain or illness first before you resorted to other methods :)

I have not tryed lunging him yet so I shall try that tomorrow thanks :)
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emms199 09-18-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee (Post 1687910)
I wish more people would eliminate health causes first. Good for you
Does your riding out of the menage involve him following in a line of other horses or does he go out on his own or in the lead?
I am thinking two things
1 He isn't properly schooled or even broke properly so
when he hasn't got another horse to follow he hasn't got a clue what to do and the bucking is just a confusion reaction. Having a person beside him would make a difference as he's been
trained to be led/follow a human
2 he dislikes schooling
and gets bored with it so the
refusal to move and the bucking are a resistance

I'm reluctant to offer any advice on 2 without knowing the answer to 1

He is fine when going out will go on him own and in the front , I am going to try lunging him tomorrow to see how that goes and I think maybe he is bored of the school as he was a riding school pony before so was in the school alot thank you for the help :)
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jaydee 09-18-2012 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by emms199 (Post 1688094)
He is fine when going out will go on him own and in the front , I am going to try lunging him tomorrow to see how that goes and I think maybe he is bored of the school as he was a riding school pony before so was in the school alot thank you for the help :)
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Yes it does sound like thats the problem. If you know how to lunge then that will help establish you as the leader
I have a mare that gets bored like that and goes lazy or invents monsters in the corner.
You have to learn to ride more 'aggressively' - which doesn't mean that you go into full combat mode but you strengthen your back, seat & legs to give more driving power - its like an inner energy that you pull out
The bucking is just a resistance to try to scare you - dont let that happen, learn to pick his head up sharply and push him forwards out of the buck rather than allow him to stop and come to a halt
I dont know if you ride English or western but some short spurs aren't a bad thing for getting the message over - I am not a fan of the whole kick kick kick thing
If all else fails then then you should here me shout 'gettup' Its not about losing your temper its about getting their attention - and that of everyone else in hearing distance!!!

emms199 09-19-2012 10:45 AM

Thank you i shall try that :)
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blue eyed pony 09-19-2012 03:10 PM

My boy can be lazy. Not to that extent, because I don't allow it. I don't even allow the minor "oh I can't really be bothered, I might fall out of canter into a trot for a couple of strides"... I get RIGHT up him and kick his butt.

I don't ride with a whip because for whatever reason they make him bolt, even if I'm not touching him with it. And also, they screw up my hand position. I struggle with piano hands enough as it is and a whip makes the problem worse. I think a whip actually caused the problem.

I do have a pair of spurs that I will put on if he is being a pest about forward, but I don't ride in them full time because now and then he has a day where he's too forward, or when he'll buck and bolt the moment the spur touches him. My spurs are very short and very blunt, and child sized because the adult sized spurs are longer and I wanted the shortest ones I could get.

When asking for forward, you go about it in gradients of pressure. First a very light touch/squeeze, then a firm squeeze if you're ignored. If you ride with a whip, the next step if horsey is STILL ignoring you is to hit them, HARD, just behind your leg. Still being ignored? Hit EVEN HARDER.

Do as little as possible but as much as necessary is my philosophy. Your horse is educated and KNOWS what you're asking for. That means HE WILL DO AS HE IS TOLD and he will do it NOW. If you have to get mean, GET mean. I have been accused of abusing my horse before now because he was ignoring my lighter aids, so I gradually got firmer and firmer until I was being quite harsh. He did as he was told. The next time, he was lighter. And the time after that, he was lighter still. I apply this philosophy to EVERYTHING- groundwork, forward, stopping, turning, walking through water (my horse has been an eventer his whole life, HE KNOWS it won't eat him), you name it.

This is a horse that will back up at liberty from the twitch of a finger, and change direction based on where my body is in relation to his. He will transition from canter to trot, and trot to walk, purely off my seat, and I have gotten upward transitions from walk to canter ALSO purely off seat. But he will try it on, and I have been forced to yank on his mouth to get him to stop before now... and flying kicks are not an uncommon occurrence, even with spurs on! If I let him get away with it, I would have a horse that was ALWAYS heavy off EVERY aid, because he would learn that he can get out of having to do as he is told simply by ignoring the "please?"... but for some reason outsiders don't understand that and they see the really firm aids and think I'm horrible.

I equate it to dealing with children. You ask them nicely and a lot of them will respond really well to that and do as they are asked (or at least they do for me??), but those that don't, sometimes you have to yell.

equinegirl26 09-19-2012 03:37 PM

Wow! He sounds exactly like my first horse! Anyways, just work on squeezing, then give him 3 seconds, and if he doesn't listen, spank him. :)

ninjahorse 09-25-2012 02:31 PM

And the vet checked for ulcers? My horse had the EXACT same problem. I had my vet out too. He checked her out and didn't realize ulcers were causing her issues. I felt so dumb for not realizing it sooner, especially after battling them when I first got her. My mare was still great on the lunge line, but as soon as anything was asked of her under saddle she would kick out. Put down your whip and look deeper into this issue.


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