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AnnaT 09-18-2012 12:50 PM

My Saddle & Fatty Pony
 
This will probably be a long thread, I've tried to condense it. Sorry it is very unorganised I'm pretty stressed, if you cant fit the information together please just ask, I've probably missed things out here and there but any helpful advice appreciated.

When I got my synthetic thorowgood saddle (I think it is the T4 GP, it says pony club approved on the back) beginning of this year I thought I was all sorted saddle-wise, but no.

I got the saddle, January time I think it was. It seemed all right and then later it began lifting and moving forward. Pictures I have seem to indicate it was alright untill about the beginning of april.

I got the original master saddler back out, who came highly recommended to me, to check the saddle and he checked it but I remember thinking having done a bit of research on fitting saddles that there were checks that he didn't do. He said the tree was fine as was the gullet, he put it on and me and another rode on it and it didn't budge off Harrys back the entire time. He was the one who originally sold me the saddle too after my second saddle lifted at the back. This one was doing the same and somehow he managed to make it not lift at all but when he said to check how it sat behind the scapula it seemed to be ontop of it but at the time I wasn't sure because I didn't know what the scapula bone was. :-?
His conclusion was that I put the saddle on in the wrong place. I'm a bit weary to get him out again, I recommended him to a friend and all he did apparently was put a saddle on her horses back when it was in the stable and said "That's your saddle." She was stupid to buy it from him if that's all he did, but so was I and neither of us knew anything about saddles we just assumed as he was a master saddler and highly recommended we could trust him.
I don't know how he got it to sit so still cause nobody else can seem to.

Anyway so at the very beginning of this month I got another master saddler out, I can't fault him really. He did a lot of tests, including measuring the horse and doing sketches etc. He said that the problem was that the flocking in the saddle was only 1% wool and had compacted, so he reflocked the saddle with 100% wool and it seemed fine. Now I may need to wait untill the flocking moulds or anything? He seemed much more knowledgeable about saddles and I would be much happier asking him to come back out to check the saddle again. Because while it doesn't move as much as it was it still seems to be moving forward and seems very tight behind his shoulder. He said the saddle is fine to lift at the back as long as you cannot see daylight. It didn't appear to, this guy does a lot of side saddles and big eventers so seems the most reliable. When I told him how few tests and checks the original saddler had done in comparison he was surprised.

I think I'll get someone to ride Harry tonight so I can look at the saddle with someone riding on it but I am not satisfied that it fits him properly, could it be that the saddle is too light or something? It is a very light saddle and I also think it is too long and I had ridden in much smaller saddles so think I would be fine with something 15-16 inches rather than 16.5 inches. My main problem though at the moment is, Harry needs to lose weight, he is, slowly. It's hard to do when you don't have a saddle but I have been giving him at least half an hour to 2 hours excersise a few days a week this last month and I think he is starting to slim up a bit. The difference now is when the saddler last came out you couldn't find his ribs, seriously it was near impossible. Now you can feel them, not as much as I would like to but a bit. I am kind of unsure of what to do cause he never gets much skinnier than he is, he has a wide rib cage and flat shoulders. Don't know what I can do about the belly hanging down it seems resistant to the force of a diet lol

Here is a photo of Harry the day after the saddler came (1st September)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...46739172_n.jpg

And this photo is from the 12th of September
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...62218043_n.jpg

Forgot to mention, Harry is about 5 years old so I'm hoping the front end will catch up a bit more on the back end. I'm sure he's grown a bit since I got him, he didn't have the nutrition to grow with his old owner for seemingly quite a year so I wonder will he catch up now or has that stunted his growth :(?
In case you have not seen Harry before this was him when I first got him so you can compare, this is STARVED Harry a week after I got him so he is actually a little fatter than he was when I bought him.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n..._6641582_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n..._1327945_n.jpg

He was pretty much as he is now all year round after a while untill mid winter 2011 when he stopped eating. You could see his rib cage but not in this photo cause the camera is hopeless but if you stood alongside his shoulder it was very clear so I don't want him to be as skinny as this either.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...65914443_n.jpg
He also lost everything around his hips too!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...28366579_n.jpg

So maybe he is a kind of healthy weight, he only gets 3 small meals of hay a day at the moment. The saddler gave him a body score of 3 and a half at the beginning of this month. From my comparisons of the photos there's not a massive amount of difference so maybe now is the time to get a new saddle?
What do you think?
(I'll post a photo from today if I get up and the light is good)


BACK TO THE SADDLE!

After seeing this video I wonder if Harry has the same problem, this appears to be the same saddle too.

I am very VERY tempted to find someone who will buy that saddle I have off me and sell me a close contact leather one, I'm not that happy with that saddle having spent about 450 getting it and on saddlers I feel like I'm sitting above Harry a lot. I definitely would be happier buying with a second-hand, close contact, leather, working hunter or general purpose saddle.

So, questions for you guys:

Should I get the saddler out now or weight till Harry is a healthy weight?

Should I get a leather saddle or spend more trying to get this saddle fixed?

Does anyone know if a saddle should lift at the back?

Should I get the second saddler back again or a new saddler?

There is only 2 more places I can try:
  • One is Bracken Equestrian Saddlery
  • And the other is The Old Mill Saddlery. I know the Old Mill Saddlery does custom made saddles and know a few friends have got saddles from them, the only problem is, I'm 99% certain I have to transport Harry there and whilst I have access to a trailer I don't have access to a car to tow it. But from their website they have a massive selection of saddles and "Robert our master saddle fitter has over 20 years experience in the field of saddle manufacture and fitting and is renowned for his expertise in this area.

    We have, onsite, four highly professional saddlers who carry out adjustments and modifications on the saddles in our workshop, very often during the saddle fit process. This means that over 90% of the time, your new saddle can be adjusted to be the perfect fit for you and your horse on the same day."


In case I missed this out, the reasons I think the saddle still does not fit. It lifts, moves forward and after a bit of riding is VERY tight around around the front, Harry does not like getting it on AT ALL. *He runs off when I get on (like he used to with his old one which didn't fit), he doesn't seem very fluid in his movements and is resistant to speed up which isn't like him at all.

*= He will stand like a pillar any other time, and used to but it seems like he is trying to tell me not to get on all of a sudden even though his work is his life, he loves it! :(

I have a little money at the moment.I just want what's best for Harry. Some people say I'm really picky about my saddle, but I'd rather be really picky and get it right than ignore it and end up with...all manner of medical problems for my pony. Because after all Harrys welfare is the absolute number one priority in my life, there is NOTHING more important to me.

So massive rant over...
Ok, so I've probably missed things out but fire away with polite questions, opinions and helpful suggestions. If you're from Northern Ireland and you see this and can recommend a saddler please do say!

AnnaT 09-19-2012 05:01 AM

Put the saddle on again last night and the same as I thought, after just walking around the yard the saddle was right up on his shoulder bone REALLY tight :(
The lifting wasn't too bad, when it was like that. But because the saddle is so light it moves forward even when you're trying to put the girth on. UGH.

laurachristine 09-28-2012 02:05 AM

Bump for you, your pony is adorable, and I'm really sorry but I don't know much about saddle fit :/ hopefully someone can see this and help!

verona1016 09-28-2012 02:27 AM

Your pony is adorable- looks like my trainer's Shire in miniature :-)

I'm not terribly knowledgeable on saddles (just bought my first saddle a couple weeks ago!) but I'm wondering if the billets are a little too far back for him? It looks like the girth is angled slightly forward, and if that's the case, that would cause it to be pulled forward as he moves. I'm not sure how that's dealt with when you have a short billet system (mine is a dressage saddle with long billets) but if you're attaching to the 1st and 3rd billet, maybe try attaching to the 1st and 2nd? Or possibly try an anatomic girth?

unclearthur 09-28-2012 06:43 AM

Nice pony. And he doesn't look overweight in the latest pics, just well covered. I think you've done well by him.

Thorowgoods often drop in front fairly quickly, especially if the horse has a bit of shape (they're designed to mould to shape and the flock is pretty soft) so I can see why you might have had a problem soon after purchase. A re-adjust should have sorted that, though.

The danger with a croup-high horse can be over-flocking, when the saddle may skid forward, but this most usually happens when the horse's belly-line rises sharply upwards just behind the elbow and you don't seem to have this issue. What happens is when you tighten the girth, that tends to move forward, encouraging the saddle along with it. Biasing the saddle balance slightly pommel-down will often fix the problem BUT the saddler will need to see the horse ridden to check the bias is not too excessive with a rider up. Otherwise you'll just fall forward all the time:(

I'd be inclined to get a fitter out again and go through the issue with him/her in more detail. It might be costly but getting the fit right is important for both of you.

And please don't go out and buy a leather close-contact - most of them can't be adjusted at all and don't fit many horses very well.

Hope that's some help :)


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