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tim62988 09-21-2012 05:54 PM

Saddle Sliding
 
The past few saddles I have used on my Tennessee walking horse have slid back while riding.

uncinch, put everything back where it should be and the saddle eventually slides back again.

do I need the "gaited" bars so they flair out? or what is going on? has been happening with semi-QH bar saddles

I guess my main thought is that her shoulder movement is dislodging the saddle and pushing it back, she does the running walk fine, never seems to show any discomfort.

So is it the wrong bars? or does she just need a breast collar to hold the saddle in place?

HorseCrazyTeen 09-21-2012 11:03 PM

A breast      collar should help. It helped me,   except that my problem was that the saddle slipped side to side to easily  unless I pulled the cinch tighter than I'd like.
  
 If     the non-gaited saddles that you have used on your horse don't work then I'd invest in a gaited saddle. Your horse is probably too     narrow for a regular saddle. A few gaited breeds will usually be fine with a non-gaited    saddle but T ennessee Walkers  generally  aren't one of them.    They are built narrower. 

G8tdh0rse 09-22-2012 06:24 PM

Perhaps it is your saddle pad? Have you tried others and had the same problem. Alos some horses have a barrel that slopes back and are thickest behind the elbow where a cinch normally sits.

Jolly Badger 09-24-2012 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim62988 (Post 1692243)
The past few saddles I have used on my Tennessee walking horse have slid back while riding.

uncinch, put everything back where it should be and the saddle eventually slides back again.

do I need the "gaited" bars so they flair out? or what is going on? has been happening with semi-QH bar saddles

I guess my main thought is that her shoulder movement is dislodging the saddle and pushing it back, she does the running walk fine, never seems to show any discomfort.

So is it the wrong bars? or does she just need a breast collar to hold the saddle in place?

First step, breastcollar.

Also, just buying a "gaited" saddle doesn't mean the saddle will fit your horse. Is the tree narrow? Medium? Wide?

I know a lot of people who spend a lot of time finding saddles they feel comfortable in but give very little thought to whether or not the saddle will fit their horse because they rely on the manufacturer's general description of the breed of horse or style of riding the saddle was designed for.

Be sure the saddle actually fits the horse, too. A breastcollar can help but it won't fix the problem, and using a saddle that doesn't fit properly can cause more problems over time.

Guilherme 09-24-2012 01:37 PM

Your saddle does not fit. If you need help with fit find a local fitter.

Breast plates are designed to help saddles that fit work in challenging environments.

Saddle pads are designed to help saddles that fit to accomodate the ever changing geometry of the horse's back.

"Gaited horse saddles" are a marketing ploy.

Get some professional help. Your horse will thank you for it.

G.

tim62988 09-24-2012 02:20 PM

thank you guys for the advice:

I sortof figured the "gaited saddle" was a marketing ploy but then when the saddles that seem to fit the best still slide i wasn't sure if maybe there was something to be said for the flaired bars.

I do wish more saddle makers would vary their tree widths. I really like the abetta saddles but most of their saddles are a full QH bar and their "gaited" ones run wide so I'm down to about 2 models that I can tell. but if they don't fit then it's off to a different brand.

I was hoping to take my mare to the local saddle fitter but have to talk to them a bit more first, hoping that for a fee they will fit her without me having to buy a saddle there since i'm not looking to spend $1500 on a saddle, or at least hoping not to...

bbsmfg3 09-24-2012 06:47 PM

I will not ride with out a breast collar, a must. If you ride, your going to go places where the saddle will slide back. If the horse doesn't have decent withers, then you also need a crouper. If your saddle fits your horse, the only time you need a girth is to mount, unless your roping, etc. For trail riding you should be able to take the girth off, once your mounted, if the saddle fits the horse. Tight girths are for misfitting saddles and unbalanced riders.

To keep the blackets from slipping under the saddle, use 2 blankets. The one next to the horse is good quality wool blanket, the top one is something like a SaddleRight pad that takes up irregularites in the horse's back. All horses have some irregularties to the back. Sew to pieces of hook(velcro) together so the hook is out. About 2" by 6". Place the hook between the 2 blankets up front and below where the tree of the saddle rests on the blankets. Sew a piece of leather to the top and bottom side of the wool blanket at the to center. Include in the leather a loop to attach a piece of leather rawhide strip. Tie the wool blanket and the loop on the leather to the horn(or cross bar, if no horn). Tie the wool blanket up as close to the saddle as you can get it. No more slipping saddle blankets, and no more pinched withers.

Joe4d 09-25-2012 08:32 AM

gaited saddles are not a marketing ploy, they are made different and fit different. They also fit certain horses better,,,
But your problem is basically your saddles dont fit. Whether a gaited tree will or wont be right for your horse I cant say. I can say the saddles you have, assuming properly put on, dont fit. Breast plates are probably more for decoration. Recent cover of Endurance news had the Tevis winner with thousands of feet of elevation changes and very steep climbs. No chest straps. Alot of people "say" they are for holding saddle forward, but I dont really ever see any of them tight enough to actually do any good. The are cool looking though.
Also TWH are not necessarily narrow, what the TWHBEA has created tend to be narrow. But lots of Old school plantation stock out there as well.

tim62988 09-26-2012 08:42 PM

no one can recall noticing the problem when I was using an abetta w/ semi-qh bars when I was trying her out so i'm going to try the wife's abetta a bit more and then go from there.

I knew the first leather saddle didn't fit, but the second one looked much closer which is why i have been scratching my head, so i will go back to abettas and see what happens

SueNH 09-26-2012 09:04 PM

I have the same thing going on with my walker. My favorite saddle slips. It looks like it fits. I'm not new at this. I do have other saddles that do fit her and I used them all on a previous horse with no problems. It stumps me.

An older textan hereford with semi-QH bars and an older big horn endurance work fine. My Aussie with a similar width just won't work.

Breast collars are just extra insurance against slippage, they buy you more time. Not to prevent it in the first place.


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