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TheVelveteenPony 08-26-2008 04:22 PM

Registering an Arab at age six... impossible task?
 
Has anyone ever registered an arab well after birth? Where do you start? I've printed off the forms I need off the website of the Arabian Horse Association.... now do I track down her mother and father?
Any help or advice from someone who has done this before would be very helpful.

WSArabians 08-26-2008 06:38 PM

I usually always do mine before six months, but it is not impossible IF you have the required information.
Because Arabians need to be DNA'd before you get registration, you will need to the registered names of both sire and dam, as well as their registration numbers.
You will also need the signature of the dam's owner and the sire's owner to be signed on the registration application for the said horse.
You will have to pull hair to send in for DNA comparsion once they send the DNA kit.
At the bottom, there will be (at least on the Canadian application) at transfer at application that you can fill out the said horse will be put in your name first, instead of the breeder.
The cost for registering an Arabian over 24 months of age, with the AHA is $500.00. Quite a jump from the CAHR (Canadian Arabian Horse Registry which is $305.00!). This does include the cost of the DNA kit required to complete the registration process.
That fee is unrefundable, so unless you know for sure that have the exact partenage and have their registration numbers, I'd be careful about what you do.

Hope I helped! :)

WSArabians 08-26-2008 06:40 PM

Double post, sorry! :)

TheVelveteenPony 08-26-2008 06:48 PM

Thank you that was extremely helpful.
She was born at an Arab breeding barn and I was told the only reason she was not registered was because of her blue eye. Apperantly her old owners thought that made her "unregisterable" but I have been told otherwise.
Hopefully both her parents live at the barn. This is going to be a pretty epic adventure! :lol:

Miss Katie 08-27-2008 06:24 AM

Wow thats expensive!! Its much cheaper over here!

WSArabians 08-28-2008 01:10 AM

You're welcome!

It is fairly odd for an Arabian to have a blue eye unless they are Sabino Arabian.
Is this for the mare in your avatar?


If they breed anything aside from purebred Arabians, I'd just be careful, unless you can work something out with them in cost of the papers should they guarantee that she is definately purebred.

Good luck tracking them down! :)

TheVelveteenPony 08-29-2008 04:21 AM

That's the odd part- from what I understand they only breed pureblood Arabians. Appearantly they never registered because they thought her blue eye was a big fault... but maybe it was because she is not in fact pure blood? I really don't know. I'm going to get in contact with them and straighten the whole thing out.

Is it possible for purebloods to have blue eyes? And what exactly is a sabino? I've heard the term before- is it a paint arab cross?

ETA: Yes, it's the mare in my avatar :)

WSArabians 08-29-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVelveteenPony
That's the odd part- from what I understand they only breed pureblood Arabians. Appearantly they never registered because they thought her blue eye was a big fault... but maybe it was because she is not in fact pure blood? I really don't know. I'm going to get in contact with them and straighten the whole thing out.

Is it possible for purebloods to have blue eyes? And what exactly is a sabino? I've heard the term before- is it a paint arab cross?

ETA: Yes, it's the mare in my avatar :)

Usually, and Sabino Arabians were only recognized during the last few years, a blue eye would be a fault in the Arabian breed.
However, because Sabino Arabians have been by the Arabian registeries, it is not anymore.
As before, an Arabian could not be registered if white came above their knees, on their belly, etc, or with a blue eye, but because a blue eye is part of the Sabino gene, so long as the parentage is correct, the horse can be registered Arab.
A Sabino Arabian is one that carries a gene that may cause them to have odd white spots on the face, belly, and legs (usually) with some amount of roaning. Markings that could almost be considered what you would see on a Paint horse, however they are purebred Arabians.
There are different types of Sabinos... The minimum (excessive amount of white), Moderate Sabino (White on the belly, etc, where it would not normally be), and a Maximum Sabino (They appear to be grey but actually are not).
I have three Sabinos myself (Two moderate and one minimal), and my stallions sire was a Maximum Sabino.
One sign of carrying with Sabino gene without actually showing excessive amount of white, is the bottom lip will have white on it.
I would love to see more pictures of your mare, just to see.
I've been admiring her for quite a while now... she is a beautiful girl!

Here are a few pictures of Roxy (A moderate Sabino):
(You'll notice the white above her knees, white chin, and white under her jaw - all unusal for a purebred Arabian, just like having a white eye).

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ion/Roxy62.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ion/Roxy14.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ion/Roxy33.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ion/Roxy66.jpg

And Maiden (Roxy's full sister), a Minimum Sabino:
(Note the white above her hocks, under her chin, and odd white markings on her front knees)

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...t/Maiden43.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...t/Maiden26.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...t/Maiden39.jpg

And Rina, a moderate Sabino.
(You'll notice she has irregular white markings on her legs after her white ends (ragged ends) and belly spots)

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ina/Rina06.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ina/Rina04.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ina/Rina08.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...ina/Rina07.jpg

This is my stallions sire. Although he looks grey, he is actually a Maximum Sabino with a bay base coat.

http://mapleridgefarm.homestead.com/...tsideDec03.jpg

All of the markings on those mares, ten years ago, would have prevented them from being registered, but thankfully the Arabian registeries have recognized that you have purebred Arabians with these traits.
Because they are fairly new, most people would not recognize (and I always find it funny to think that the owners of Khemosabi , Abu Farwa, and Zodiac Matador, to name a few, never knew they owned a Sabino!) a Sabino Arabian if they saw one.
It may be possible that your mares breeders had no idea what a Sabino was, or wanted to recognize it.
There is a website for the Sabino Arabian Horse Registry (Really neat horses on that site!)
www.SAHR.homestead.com

If you ever do find out the pedigree information I'd love to know!
She does have the head that a Zodiac Matador horse might.
Beautiful girl, either way. :)

TheVelveteenPony 08-29-2008 05:40 PM

Maybe I should register her with the sabino website!
That grey stallion is beautiful I've never seen that kind of color before. What color is your stallion?
This is lady blue's eye:
http://i34.tinypic.com/2emecm9.jpg

ArabianAmor 08-29-2008 11:07 PM

Ooo I think I just fell in love with Sabinos!! Lol
:shock: Roxy looks so cute and fuzzy!! I want to cuddle with her!! :D
TheVelveteenPony: Your mare is stunning!! More pictures??
:shock:


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