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Librahorsegal 10-05-2012 09:25 PM

question about bits
I ride my boy in an eggbutt snaffle and a standing martingale.

But now im thinking about switching him over to a german martingale because he carries his head low(he was a western/english pleasure horse) if i used the german one...maybe i can get him to frame up a bit.

You know how the the martingale reins loop through the bit rings..i dont know if it will work on the eggbutt. So i was thinking of using my other horse's bridle which has a 3 ring elevator snaffle bit on it. So maybe i can loop the reins on the second ring of the bit.

So i was wondering is the eggbutt the same as usin the 3 ring long as the reins are on the big ring and not on the smaller rings.

3 ring

german martingale


EvilHorseOfDoom 10-05-2012 09:43 PM

Why do you ride him in a martingale if he keeps his head low? Martingales are to prevent horses from throwing their heads up in the air or stargazing. If your horse keeps his head low there's no need for one. Martingales work fine with eggbutt rings, so no problem there even if you did need one.

I'm not keen on the term "frame" or "frame up". It suggests that we're getting the horse to move within a box. The aim should be to get the horse working correctly and engaging its back end, so that it's not falling onto the forehand or leaning on the bit. Different horses work in different ways - some Arabs, for example, will never get their head lower and some heavy breeds can't get their face on the vertical, but that doesn't mean they aren't working correctly.

I'm not familiar with WP horses but I understand they perform slow gaits with their heads held quite low, and plenty that I've seen in photographs seem to be very much on the forehand (not bagging the discipline, they may have been trained incorrectly for all I know). If you want your horse to lighten its forehand you will need to start asking for more impulsion from the back end, through your legs and seat. Your horse may never have the desired "frame", however if it can be encouraged to work in a light and correct manner then the best possible outcome has been achieved.

Allison Finch 10-05-2012 09:51 PM

I agree with EHOD. I dislike German martingales, although they are better than draw reins, IMO. Yes, egg butt bits are fine with it. I just don't see why you need one. And, you can't show in it.

waresbear 10-05-2012 10:10 PM

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Martingales have a downward pull, so using it to get your horse to come up to your hand won't be very productive IMO.
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Librahorsegal 10-06-2012 08:20 PM

evil horse.... when i first got my horse...he would carry his head up high. So i put the martingale on him. But now its down low to the ground. thats why i was thinking of using the german one to have him carry his head at the right height.

Allison...did you mean you cant show in the bit or the martingale? I know you cant show in a german martingale.

EvilHorseOfDoom 10-06-2012 08:41 PM

The German martingale does the same job as the others but has more leverage so he'll keep dropping. Personally I wouldn't have used a martingale to correct high head carriage, they're really only for horses who have learned get their faces really high to evade the bit, or a bad headtosser, because a whack in the face from a horse's neck is painful and dangerous. High head carriage in most disciplines is correct, you want the horse to be highest at the poll, and for that to be the point of flexion (not that you'd know it from some of the dressage scoring around...but that's another matter).

What discipline are you practicing? What breed is your horse? You can't compete dressage in either a martingale or a dutch gag.
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JustDressageIt 10-06-2012 08:56 PM

Eep!!!! Never use draw reins/martingales on a leverage bit, please!! They're designed to be used with a snaffle.
I won't go into the issue further..
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JustDressageIt 10-06-2012 09:07 PM

*german martingales
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Librahorsegal 10-08-2012 10:05 PM

martingale question now

Originally Posted by EvilHorseOfDoom (Post 1709314)
What discipline are you practicing? What breed is your horse? You can't compete dressage in either a martingale or a dutch gag.
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I own a 10yr old paint gelding. I ride him english. When i got him in 2008...he did english & western pleasure. So he would carry his head low like in this picture that i found on google

Then over time,he decided to carry his head up my trainer put a martingale on him. But now its back to low. Thats why im thinking about switching over to the other martingale.

LoveMyDrummerBoy 10-08-2012 10:08 PM

If you can't show in it, don't use it. Thats my philosophy. There is a reason its illegal.

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