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QHriderKE 10-06-2012 01:09 PM

Long backs and collection...
 
Just a random question..

Do horses with long backs tend to have a more difficult time with collection and roundness?

oh vair oh 10-06-2012 07:07 PM

Yes. It's usually a lot more surface area to try and pick up, when it can be easier for them to move hollow. I had a gelding with a long back, and we had to go above and beyond the call of duty in order to get him rocked back and up through his core. A horse with a shorter back has an easier time because they have less length to pick up and are much more naturally connected through to their hindquarters. That isn't to say a horse with a long back isn't impossible to collect, you often just need to build up the core muscles more and work harder on getting the horse to connect though to the butt and not rely on his forehand.

TheRoundPen 10-08-2012 09:23 PM

Totally agree with Oh vair oh.. I also know that my trainer likes having shorter backed horses because they are easier to turn for western events :P

riccil0ve 10-08-2012 09:44 PM

Yes, definitely harder to collect and rock back. You don't usually find many long-backed horses in the dressage Olympics or anything, but you can still work your way up into moderate levels of dressage.

My mare is quite long, she needs a lot of work to get her to lift and lengthen her stride in the hind. She still makes a pretty decent dressage mount though!
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GotaDunQH 10-09-2012 10:13 AM

Like everyone else said....yes. If you have a horse that is longer through the loin, BUT a lower set hock...that lower set hock will help.

QHriderKE 10-13-2012 12:22 PM

Alright...
That's what I thought, just needed to make sure!
My mare is having a tougher time with roundness, and I'm sure her length is why.


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Coconut Cruncher 10-13-2012 12:56 PM

her back isn't that long. It seems proportionate in most of the photo's, except the first one posted. If you're sure it's conformational and not behavioural (laziness etc) try getting some more decent photographs of her standing naturally square. Just for a few pictures, it seems she may be sliiiightly sickle hocked. This can all lead to a horse that is finding it difficult to stretch out and ultimately rock back onto it's hind quarters.

The fact that she is also quite downhill in a few photo's, will not help balance either. And she could be purposely restricting her movement from the hind end to counteract not being so front heavy.
If any of that makes sense :)

It's all guessing though, as the pictures aren't that great.

GotaDunQH 10-13-2012 02:13 PM

^but she's long in the loin area, and that does make a difference.

Horsey and Holistic 10-13-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oh vair oh (Post 1709245)
Yes. It's usually a lot more surface area to try and pick up, when it can be easier for them to move hollow. I had a gelding with a long back, and we had to go above and beyond the call of duty in order to get him rocked back and up through his core. A horse with a shorter back has an easier time because they have less length to pick up and are much more naturally connected through to their hindquarters. That isn't to say a horse with a long back isn't impossible to collect, you often just need to build up the core muscles more and work harder on getting the horse to connect though to the butt and not rely on his forehand.

Nicely said! :D

Lexiie 10-13-2012 08:27 PM

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My mare isn't too bad with collection, but we've really worked on it


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