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RayahNicole83 10-21-2012 10:36 PM

My Mustang is on a "hay only" diet. Is there a vitamin supplement in a treat form?
 
When I bought my horse back in August I asked every question I could before taking her home. From what she eats to when her feet were last done. The lady told me that she does not require grain. However, she told me she got a multi vitamin so I went to the feed store to find that every vitamin supplement had to be mixed with grain. So, do I buy grain and the supplement to mix with it even though she is doing well without grain or is there a multi vitamin supplement that is in a treat form? Im extremely confused and stumped :?
Any advice is helpful! She is healthy and sound but we live in the pacific NW and I know that our grass/hay is missing certain key vitamins that she needs. Im just getting back into the horse life after 18 years and don't have to many horsie friends when I went to the feed store and asked my questions I got treated like an idiot for not knowing. I believe that if someone is asking a question and is making the effort to be the best horse owner he or she can that someone who knows the answers should be kind and not rude about it. It was really discouraging. :oops:

SaddleStrings 10-21-2012 10:42 PM

You could get a ration balancer such as Enrich 32 to mix the supplements in. A ration balancer isn't a grain, it's more of a supplement in it's self, and you only need to feed about a pound of the balancer a day.

themacpack 10-21-2012 10:45 PM

What feed brands are available to you at your local feed stores? Each has it's own name for it's ration balancers. Are you feeding grass hay or alfalfa?

Dreamcatcher Arabians 10-21-2012 10:46 PM

You could buy ration balancer but they tend to be expensive per bag which a bag of grain is not. I'd buy the grain, feed about a cup or so and sprinkle the vitamin over the top. That way the horse gets his vits, thinks it's a treat and doesn't break the bank. That's just what I would do.

riccil0ve 10-21-2012 10:59 PM

I'm also in the Pacific Northwest, the vit/min supplement I fed didn't have to be taken with grain. I have it as a "treat," it's a small pellet you feed roughly an ounce of, they nibbled it fine out of my hand or in a shallow feed pan. I can't remember what it was called, I will try to find it for you. It is also specifically made for horses in the Pacific Northwest.

AHA! Horse Guard! You can order it online, comes in a bag like this. http://flynnssaddleshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Horse-Guard.jpg
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riccil0ve 10-21-2012 11:10 PM

Too late to edit. You can buy it online here: Horse Guard
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walkinthewalk 10-22-2012 07:18 AM

Did the lady you bought your horse from say what supplement she used?? That would be what I would go with, at least temporarily.

If the horse came from a completely different environment (such as desert vs. rainy and lush), that may have to be re-evaluated.

The Horse Guard looks good, except my concern would be the Selenium. I am not a nutritionist but that 54 ppm on the G/A web page looks to be really high. Someone from this company would have to explain why that's ok.

http://www.horseguard.com/pdfs/HG_Gu...20Analysis.jpg


The article in the link below states:
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In this part of the country, between 1-3 mg of selenium per day is generally adequate and safe for most horses.

Notice the comment opens with "In this part of the country", meaning selenium deficiency levels (or overages) vary all over the U.S. And that is a total amount, which includes hay and pasture.

Again, not being a nutritionist and lucky to be able to balance my checkbook, I don't know how "54 ppm" in HorseGuard translates to "between 1-3mg" on the veterinary website below.

Selenium is one of those minerals that has a low toxicity level.

http://www.bendequine.com/documents/Selenium.pdf

That all being said, respectfully disagree with feeding this horse grain or even a ration balancer to make sure it gets all its vits/mins. I would call the Seller and ask her what she used and go from there, since it sounds as if the Seller was trying to kindly say not to feed this easy keeper grain:-)

SueNH 10-22-2012 10:13 AM

another vote for a ration balancer. Nutrena's Empower balance should be available out there.

riccil0ve 10-22-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk (Post 1727708)
Did the lady you bought your horse from say what supplement she used?? That would be what I would go with, at least temporarily.

If the horse came from a completely different environment (such as desert vs. rainy and lush), that may have to be re-evaluated.

The Horse Guard looks good, except my concern would be the Selenium. I am not a nutritionist but that 54 ppm on the G/A web page looks to be really high. Someone from this company would have to explain why that's ok.

http://www.horseguard.com/pdfs/HG_Gu...20Analysis.jpg


The article in the link below states:


Notice the comment opens with "In this part of the country", meaning selenium deficiency levels (or overages) vary all over the U.S. And that is a total amount, which includes hay and pasture.

Again, not being a nutritionist and lucky to be able to balance my checkbook, I don't know how "54 ppm" in HorseGuard translates to "between 1-3mg" on the veterinary website below.

Selenium is one of those minerals that has a low toxicity level.

http://www.bendequine.com/documents/Selenium.pdf

That all being said, respectfully disagree with feeding this horse grain or even a ration balancer to make sure it gets all its vits/mins. I would call the Seller and ask her what she used and go from there, since it sounds as if the Seller was trying to kindly say not to feed this easy keeper grain:-)

Keen observation, but WA does have a serious Selenium deficiency. Horse Guard is a very popular vit/min supplement here used by many. I fed it for two years, only stopped when I moved. It is worth it to be educated, but even my vets have all said Horse Guard was a pretty good one to use.
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verona1016 10-22-2012 02:16 PM

My choice would be for a ration balancer. I found that most vit/min supplements that you only feed 1-2 oz have enough of everything in them. Since my horse has limited grazing in the summer, and none in the winter, hay is his primary forage year round. However, I don't have a nutritional analysis for his hay (my barn has 76 stalls and as a result buys from several different farmers, so even if they did test the hay, I'd still not know which particular batch of hay he's getting and it changes depending on which stack the barn staff pulls that day's hay from) and even if I had that, hay loses its nutritional value the longer it's stored. So, the hay that's being fed now is better than the hay from the same batch that will be fed in April next year.

My favorite is Triple Crown 30% Supplement. It's on the pricey side- about $0.75/lb in my local feed store, but I only need to feed 1 lb per day. I highly recommend looking at FeedXL.com to experiment with how different ration balancers and vitamin/mineral supplements will fulfill your horse's dietary needs. You can also input prices in there to figure out which diet is really cheapest.

BTW, FeedXL.com is running a 40% off special for the next few days: http://www.horseforum.com/horse-nutr...feedxl-140782/


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