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muumi 11-11-2012 03:23 AM

OUt of interest: What to look for in a draft horse as a riding horse.
 
Hi,

well, I would love to own a clydesdale one day, or maybe a shire... not sure when that day will come, as I would have to sell one to get one, and I'm not good at letting go.

Anyway, I digress. I just wanted to know what to look for specifically conformation-wise in a draft to make it as suitable as possible for riding. I know that is not what they are meant for, and obviously it would just be a horse for my pleasure and no high expectations here. But I watched those videos of the shire horse doing dressage and showjumping... and I was wondering how to be able to see a horse and know it will be able to do that.

Sorry if this is a silly question, and the obvious answer is: the same things you look for in any other horse, but I've been looking at a lot of colts and fillies at a local studfarm's website, and I'm feeling very insecure about who I would pick if I were to have this dream come true this minute.

Pictures of 'ideal' ones would be lovely.
:-)

muumi 11-12-2012 05:37 AM

Ha! Seems I've stumped you guys.

(I'd rather believe that than the alternative.)

Saranda 11-12-2012 07:55 AM

First and foremost - a short back. Most drafts are bred for pulling, not carrying, thus their backs are naturally longer to give them better pulling power and riding can be harmful for them in the long run, especially, if a heavier person happens to be the rider. Apart from that - a good horse is a good horse and you should look out for the same conformational faults as in any other horse. I'm not a pro conformation-wise, though.

This Gypsy Vanner looks like a good example -

http://www.gypsygiants.com/_wp_gener...fc6d703_0f.jpg

ThatDraftGirl 11-12-2012 03:07 PM

Here is my 2 1/2 year old Belgian, Sam. We haven't started riding yet because he isn't done growing, but so far, he looks like he will be a good riding horse because he's short backed...

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...50324823_n.jpg



Also, it doesn't hurt if they can naturally carry themselves, like with the extended trot, the first picture is recent, the second is from when he was 18 months old:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...13124483_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...84299942_n.jpg

Saranda 11-12-2012 03:39 PM

You also have to remember that drafties are generally slow maturing, so they are mostly ready for serious riding no earlier than at the age of 6 and should not be backed before they are 3. They can continue maturing even up to the age of 8-9.

Endiku 11-12-2012 03:40 PM

I would think that you would also want an open hip and shoulder, since a lot of drafts are hard to sit at a trot and canter.

Bluebird 11-15-2012 08:34 AM

So you want a genuine 'heavy horse' for riding. Forget everything people are saying about short back, open shoulder etc as this applies to your generic riding horses which are NOT heavy horses. It really depends on the breed you want your horse to be. Clydesdales, Shires, Percherons, Belgians, Suffolk Punch all have very different conformations e.g. Clydesdales have longer backs and 'cow hocks' as a breed standard and this gives them the typicla gait -flowing and high stepping.In other breeds cow hocks is a fault! Suffolks have a shorter back but are much more stocky in the legs and will not show an 'open shoulder' LOL. Shires are just big but beautiful and bred to pull. So, you will find a LOT of well meant advice usually from people who have never owned or ridden a true heavy. No disrespect intended to anyone else. I ride genuine heavy horses and have ridden more or less all of the well known heavy breeds (not cross breeds or generic drafts/cobs). First of all, if you have never owned a heavy horse before, aim to buy something around 4-5 years old unless you want to try backing yourself which means you need a 3 year old. The thing is, riding heavy horses has become very popular and you will find a few people selling Heavies which have already been broken to ride. That is half the issue over for you already. Go for a yearling ONLY if you are prepared to have him as a field ornament until he is 3 to 4 year old. You cannot back a heavy horse to ride until they are a minimum of 3. If you want to use them for carriage work, you shouldn't touch them until they are 6 or 7. Once backed, you need to consider the size of saddle you will need. Bridles are very difficult to come by in the correct size as are head collars. You also need to source girth straps in excess of 58". You will need to buy steps for when you are grooming unless you are well over 6ft tall. You need to learn how to hold their VERY HEAVY feet while you pick them out. Not easy. A set of shoes (if you must shoe at all) will set you back 200 every 4-6 weeks and usually need to be specially made and fitted by an expert. Food costs are more than an generic horse and stabling requirements are much bigger. Still interested?
So you've decided you are going to get a heavy and have a few potentials. Go and look at as many heavy horses as you can and get to know their temperament. They should be laid back and friendly enough even with a complete stranger. They should not be charging madly around a field or dancing the fandango as you approach. Look at the horse from each side and see if he 'fits' his body (forget this is you look at a yearling! His bum will be higher then his withers and his legs will look too long for him). He should have kind, soft eyes, a soft mouth and be free from any odd growths or obvious disfigurement. Ask for him to be walked and trotted out for you. The movement should be free and flowing and effortless. If he is backed to ride, ask the owner to ride him out for you and then UNDER SUPERVISION, you should have a go yourself. Riding a heavy is very different to a lighter horse. Prepare for your hips and legs to protest the first time you sit on one. These horses are extremely strong and their power is from 'pulling at the shoulder' and 'pushing with their back legs' which gives you the imrpession of almost being on a rocking horse. When he trots and then canters it is like it happening in slow motion but be warned, you are going at some speed. He will outpace the majority of other horses except another heavy. Still interested - my advice is to go with your 'gut feeling'. If the horse feels right for you and he is in good health, then you have found your horse. I have two Clydesdales. My older boy, Patrick aged 5 stands 18hh, does dressage, general hacking (trail riding) and is just wonderful to ride. I then went and bought a yearling who is settling down beautifully and has the sweetest nature. Can't do anything with him for another 2 years but he is worth the wait if he turns out like Patrick. Both of my boys follow me around like puppy dogs and are so easy to train. IF you can afford to keep one, you will never regret owning a heavy. They are just the gentlest most sweetest horses you will ever meet. They can be stubborn and in a battle of wills with a heavy you will usually never win unless he decides to change his mind and give in! Good luck with your search. I've added a video of 'Riding Clydedales' in England

Bluebird 11-15-2012 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saranda (Post 1754310)
First and foremost - a short back. Most drafts are bred for pulling, not carrying, thus their backs are naturally longer to give them better pulling power and riding can be harmful for them in the long run, especially, if a heavier person happens to be the rider. Apart from that - a good horse is a good horse and you should look out for the same conformational faults as in any other horse. I'm not a pro conformation-wise, though.

This Gypsy Vanner looks like a good example -

http://www.gypsygiants.com/_wp_gener...fc6d703_0f.jpg

The Gypsy Vanner is not a true heavy horse - it is a 'cob'. Beautiful though it is and I do love these.

muumi 11-15-2012 12:18 PM

Thanks Bluebird! Yes I definitely still want one!

They are relatively rare here in South Africa, hence my ignorance about them. Adult draft horses are also hard to find for sale, but there is a large farm I heard about recently that seems to breed quite a few heavy breeds. I was looking at their available colts and fillies online... which is why I suddenly felt out of my depth that I didn't know what I was looking at... Do draft horses tend to have quite the spectacular yearling fuglies? lol.

Saranda 11-15-2012 01:11 PM

Drafts do tend to have much bigger coats and they are more suitable for colder climates - are you sure a draft would feel good in the climate of South Africa?


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