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Small_Town_Girl 09-11-2008 12:53 PM

Docked Tails and Cropped Ears. For it or against it?!
 
Some people think both are wrong, cruel, and should be
banned.I think it's ridiculous, I have no experience or knowledge
on having a dogs ears cropped to stand up, but we do dock
our puppies tails, we take them to a vet to have it professionally
done under his care, so I don't think It is cruel, sick, or should
be illegal especially when a pro vet is doing it. Also, it helps
puppies and dogs sell better, and when breeding is one of
your professions you need the money, and when those dogs
and puppies don't sell, you have more animals on your hands to
take care of. :shock:

As an owner of a docked breed, I can assure that it isn't
done for appearances and isn't cruel or anymore painful
than removing dewclaws at the same age. Docking in the
vast majority of breeds is done to prevent damage and
maintain hygiene, the same reason it is done among the
livestock.

Moxie 09-11-2008 01:06 PM

I havent voted yet, but I do have an opinion on both.

First, the ears... I think it's unnecessary. I think it leaves the dog open for several problems there after, especially around here where the weather is so unpredictable. Could you imagine having a dog with cropped ears, and leaving him outside in the winter? That poor baby. My cousins pit has docked years..... I see no reason for this other than to make him look more like the breed standard, and to make him look more 'manly'.

Now, docking tails... I wish Tilly had her tail docked, only because she has a kink in her tail, it doesn't seem to bother her, but it bothers me. I'd never have it done unless it started to bother her. Unless you plan on showing a breed that has docked tails, I think it's unnecessary.

Docked tails and cropped ears were first implemented to keep the dog from getting injured in the line of dog fighting, gaming or protecting. Unless you are keeping your dog along those lines, is it really necessary, other than visual enjoyment?

Small_Town_Girl 09-11-2008 02:28 PM

I agree, I honestly don't know anything at all about cropping the
ears, on all of our pits and bulldogs weve ever owned we've
never had their ears cropped. But I do believe in docked tails.

Dumas'_Grrrl 09-11-2008 03:01 PM

My sister breeds and raises great danes. I raided her web site. (if you have time check it out...its a really cute site and she even has music for the dogs...she does theme litters. Really loved and cared for dogs on this site.)

www.stuhrgreatdanes.com

these 4 dogs are all from different litters.
Bella
http://www.horseforum.com/userpix/35..._weeks_2_1.jpg
Graycie
http://www.horseforum.com/userpix/35..._weeks_3_1.jpg
Hollis
http://www.horseforum.com/userpix/35..._81602_3_1.jpg
Milner
http://www.horseforum.com/userpix/35...14_weeks_1.jpg

Not all, but most of her puppies have their ears cropped. It is done at the owner's request. My sister shows both dogs with cropped and uncropped ears. The puppies don't seem to mind getting their ears tapped and they only wear it about 3-4 weeks.

I think its fine to crop ears and dock tails.

When I had a rottie, her tail was docked. Its not uncommon for a dog to break it's tail when its full grown. I'd rather see a dog docked when its small than undocked and have to go through severe pain in adulthood because it got too happy.

A friend of mine had a pit mix and the dog broke it's tail on a coffee table. :( Sad really...the doggie hurt so bad! The vet ended up removing the tail below the break.

macalicious 09-11-2008 05:50 PM

I agree with Moxie on this one.
All three of my dogs are tail-less, they were docked when they were born.
Pippa's, however, wasn't. Pembroke Welsh Corgis are bred with their tails short, sometimes as a genetic default they're born with tails (which are then docked) but breeders aim for it to be natural.

Personally, I love Pippa's bunny butt! =D

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/g...s/IMG_1428.jpg

Dumas'_Grrrl 09-11-2008 06:52 PM

I should have put some pictures up of the finished project instead of just the pups with their ears done.

http://www.horseforum.com/userpix/35...indy_002_1.jpg

This is a picture of Jag. He has won many shows & stuff... I couldn't tell you what because *cough* I don't pay that much attention when my sis is explaining it all :oops: But any how...it doesn't really bother the dog. The ear is cut then it heals....not really a big deal.

If memory serves Danes were used for hunting deer and larger game. Their ears were docked because when they are natural.

http://www.horseforum.com/userpix/35...indy_007_1.jpg

Like Indy's here...they would get damaged and hurt while chasing the game through the woods/brush/briers etc.

The cropping keeps the dogs looking like they did when being used for the hunt. I personally like it.

(in case anyone cares, Indy has won his grand whatever points and is Jag's daddy. I was just wanting ya'all to know that my sissy isn't a BYB. Her dogs are shown or altered and placed in quality homes.)

farmpony84 09-11-2008 07:57 PM

OMIGOSH! I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE CORGIS!!!

I did not vote, because I'm a freak. Here's my deal... If there was a dog I wanted that already had a cropped tail or ears... I would buy him or adopt him but if it was not cropped and was all natural, then I would leave it all natural....

Salty_alydaR 09-12-2008 10:51 AM

i dont have to crop kona's ears, they stand up on their own :lol:

but yea, i like the natural look of dogs, docked tails are fine for me. but cropped ears look too...idk...man-made?

Gingerrrrr 09-12-2008 04:28 PM

my great dane's ears aren't cropped but i wanted them to be. honestly i think it can be sick and cruel if done the wrong way (like tying a RUBBER BAND around a rottys tail like someone did on animal planet) but other then that i really dont see a problem with it unless its being done the wrong way.

Dumas'_Grrrl 09-12-2008 04:46 PM

I agree Ginger. My sister took one of her dogs to a "different" vet. Her's was out of town and this was before my sister had a bunch of danes. I believe it was her 2nd dog. She had run into some financial trouble as life has a way of throwing at us and needed to get this puppy done before the dog got too old. This "other" vet was less expensive and did a horrible job. The dog ended up with an infection and lost part of what was left of the ear due to the vet wrapping the ear too tightly and cutting of circulation to the tip of the ear. The dog ended up with a "pit cut" on one of its ears. This was a freak thing and my sis learned her lesson about vet references and checking into people that are supposed to be in the know.

Done properly I see nothing wrong with cropping and docking.


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