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stevenson 01-17-2013 05:23 PM

Genetics on Arab mare
 
Here is some of the lineage of my arab mare, that I was given, she no longer is being used as brood mare.
Dont know what any one thinks of these lines, but I will see what comments people have, then I will post this mares pic.
sire : Talesis - by *Talal out of Shammama. Talal is by Nazeer out of Zaafrana . Nazeer is by Mansour out of Bint Samiha
SHammama by Theebytpian prince by *Morafic . out of *Bint Mona;
*Bint shams by ELsareei out of SHams

Dam side : sire was GA Andrea by Imperial Imperor by ansata Imperial out of Imperial Mistry . Anasta Imperial is by Ansata Ibn Sudan out of Ansata Delilah. Imperial Mistry is by Mosry +++ out of Ansata nile mist.
*Ansata karmia by Kaisoon out of jkb belkies. Kaisoon is by Nazeer out of Bint Kateefa. Jkb belkies is by Galal out Koria.
After the year there are letters G RAS / B RAS . C EAO /B EAO /GASB
I had at one time.looked this info up, but since I did not plan on doing anything with the mare did not write down what any of it meant. One is that is Egyptian , one thing meant Royal the * and +++ ??
so opinions, and by the lineage what would you think this horse should look like ?

stevenson 01-17-2013 10:22 PM

really.. no comments on this lineage ??

Peppy Barrel Racing 01-17-2013 11:30 PM

Sorry I don't know anything about Arabians :-). Are you gonna share pics??!!!
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FGRanch 01-18-2013 12:57 AM

... WS Arabians will be here to answer!

WSArabians 01-18-2013 12:58 AM

From first glance it looks like she is Straight Eygptian with some nice old classic breeding. If you add her to allbreedpedigree.com I can get her ancestry straight, because in my head it isn't really working out. LOL

RAS is the Royal Agricultural Society, EAO is the Eygptian Argicultural Orginization (EAO) and GASB is the German Arabian Stud Book.
These are orginizations made like the Al Kasma, Blue List, Early American Foundation for types of Arabians.
The G, C, or B is for Grey, Chestnut, Bay.
The + sign's are symbols of show status - ie/ Legion Of Merit, Legion of Supreme Honour, etc.


She's got a lot of racing in her pedigree, and a lot of halter horses. She should be a fairly well put together mare with some good atheletic ability, probably not a whole lot of depth to her but will be more of the stretchy type.
But.... I could be wrong! LOL
Would love to see some photo's! :)

stevenson 01-18-2013 01:28 AM

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here is the bootiful Princess Talesis.
In all her regal glory... and there is still someone out there breeding one of her sons , standing him at stud. and to think , he could be passing on these genetics. Plus on top of it, this horse is Stupid. She is seriously stupid. I got her and her papers with her, she was like an 8 on the scale, I figured she would die. She looks Good in this pic. she is a lot fatter now.She has horrid legs, horrid back, neck ties in wrong, . she has a cute face and that is about it. lol.. I call her Miss Pity for Pitiful. So bloodlines dont always work ..

WSArabians 01-18-2013 01:35 AM

LOL
Stevenson, you are right. Pedigree`s don`t always work! Sometimes how they are raised or ridden and cared for have a big difference on how they come out.
But sometimes you get these crop ups that just happen conformationally.
Her son MAY have taken after his sire in the temperment and conformation side of things - unless you`ve seen him person.
It`s really hard to judge her conformation given the shot, other then the fact that she has a low back which could be from a number of things, however, I have noticed that in a few horses through her pedigree.
She does, however, seem to have been a stretcher type in her younger days and as per her temperment (thank God this isn`t an Arabian forum) there is a reason I don`t breed SE`s. I`ve seen one exception that really sticks out, and that was TDR Whitestone.
She still looks like she has the cutest nose for kisses!

stevenson 01-18-2013 01:54 AM

I felt so sorry for her when I saw her, and she still had a baby suckin on her.
The girl that got her and the colt had her for about 2 months feeding her, then tried to take her to the auction and got turned away because the mare was to skinny for them to take. The 'girl' kept asking me to take her, told me she was lead broke for kids.. Big lie.. Not broke to ride...NOO she bucks and Pees while bucking, rears, almost falls down.. But she is really stupid.. I have had weanlings smarter than this horse. No I have not seen a pic of the stallion at stud that is her son, and the breeder shows a pic of a grey horse from the hocks up , covered up in a costume saying it is this mare. The pic makes her look good.. Her back is about 4 inches lower than her withers, she is crooked in back , almost falls when she trots and turns . Poor little horse.. she has a home here until she dies, but then again Im a sucker for the hard luck cases..lol I will try and get some updated pics of her this weekend. But her tail got chewed off .

deserthorsewoman 01-18-2013 02:34 AM

Just saw this....
The * means horse is imported.
Undoubtedly straight Egyptian. Lots of Ansata means small. Pretty but small. Im surprised to see a Kaisoon daughter with Ansata prefix. Kaisoon was the youngest of the three Nazeer sons in Germany. He sired 40! licensed and performance tested sons and more than 150 daughters registered as broodmares( at his time, licensing and performance testing was mandatory, as well as registering the mares as broodmares after inspection).
I will have pics tomorrow.
At least that line isn't bad, and no swayback here. Kaisoon was still halter shown at the age of 25

Peppy Barrel Racing 01-18-2013 04:56 AM

Awe! Looks like some groceries will do her good! Congrats Stevenson!
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