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Blue Smoke 01-18-2013 02:17 AM

Arab bloodlines, want to know more about my fillys arab side
Not sure if this is the best place for this, but saw a few similar.

I have a welsh/arab filly. She has her half welsh papers sent in, and I can possibly get her registered half arab too, that's a long story though...

Her sire is Tuxedo Man Arabian

Wondering if there is anything to be told about his breeding. I am a quarter horse person, so I honestly have no clue about Arabs beyond the famous names like Fame VF, Huckleberry Bey, Khemosabi, etc.

Thanks :)

Blue Smoke 01-18-2013 02:28 AM

Here is the link to his stallion page with a few pictures...


Blue Smoke 01-22-2013 12:12 AM

Nobody can tell me anything about this guys breeding??? :?:

SunnyDraco 01-22-2013 01:14 AM

I don't know much about his breeding, but one of my sisters had considered him for breeding her mare a few years ago. But she wanted to go see him before making any commitments and the owner didn't seem to want a visit O.o

So my sister kept looking around for a stallion that she could see in person to judge conformation and temperament lol

Chiilaa 01-22-2013 02:44 AM

Looks predominantly crabbet bred to me :-)

Blue Smoke 01-22-2013 10:03 AM

Thank you! :)

I was told he was "old style" arab, whatever that meant. Crabbet is good right? And were most of them also straight egyptian?

SunnyDraco, The lady who owns him was going through a bad time the last few years and all 37 horses of hers were essentially homeless for a good time. My friend, the owner of my filly's dam, let her keep them at her place for a bit, but the arrangement went sour. I don't want to delve into anything further than that here, but during their stay my friend was able to breed 2 mares to each of her stallions, one of the results being my filly as a sport pony prospect :) I am sure that is why she'd be hesitant to have visitors, although still not an excuse.

WSArabians 01-22-2013 02:32 PM

When people refer to "older style Arabs" they generally mean the more squatter, big hipped, big bodied with lots of bone Arabians instead of the stretchier halter types that are more popular today.

I have an older mare with the same sire line as his sire - Royal Zaltar.
There are a lot of Straight Babson Eygptian Arabians in there.
Preacher Man has a Skowronek sire line.
Hal Gazal was a great producer and out of a Pure Polish sire.

Now, Crabbet breeding isn't exactly a type - You can get Crabbet CMK Arabians, or you can get Crabbet Al Kasma, Badson, Straight Eygptians.
So while he has a lot of Straight Eygptian breeding, it is mostly Crabbet.

It takes a lot to figure out. Especially when you get a horse that is Straight Russian, but 100% Crabbet. LOL

A Crabbet Arabian is a horse that traces back to Crabbet Park Stud that were imported by Lady Anne Blunt - Mesasoud was a founding stallion and was bred in Eygpt.

So, depending on what type you like, Crabbet can be good.
This guy isn't a stallion I would use personally, but I prefer the CMK lines - which tend to be more solid then this fellows Eygptian pedigree.
You can read more about Crabbet Arabians here:

Welcome to Arabian - Education

Blue Smoke 01-22-2013 10:17 PM

Thanks WSArabians!! :wave:

Although I think I am a bit more confused than before, it is for different reasons.

WSArabians 01-22-2013 10:59 PM

I understand! I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole thing, too!

Remali 01-22-2013 11:03 PM

I love looking at pedigrees! Mainly Crabbet, but I see Polish (*Hal Gazal and *Derwisz), and also Egyptian too (Halim Faaris, and Royal Zaltar who is Babson Egyptian).

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