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Newfie 01-27-2013 09:06 AM

Treat training horses.What are peoples opinions / thoughts.
 
I have 2 geldings who are pleasure horses only.The good ole back yard pets.I have never been involved in shows.I live in a non horsey area.All I have learned is through trial and error [mostly error].At first , I used the more "cowboyish" methods of training.A year or so ago, I became stuck and didnt seem to be progressing.So I went online and found a few trainers who used treats has motivators for training.I decided to give it a try.I have to say,that my boys and myself have progressed in leaps and bounds.To the point that I can practically ride tackless.I know this is frowned on by many traditional trainers.However,I would like to point out that this is the method of training for the Lipizzaner Stallions and their "Haute ecole" .I have followed Klaus Hempfling and Eva Roemaat ,both use treats and have done wonders with horses.Opinions anyone?

Saddlebag 01-27-2013 10:00 AM

I'm all for it. It can be a very effective tool.

Newfie 01-27-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Saddlebag (Post 1864572)
I'm all for it. It can be a very effective tool.

I agree,it certainly enhanced progression with my 2 boys.Many people feel it spoils them or makes them pushy.I have not found that to be true.At least with my 2 lads.How found it to be a great motivator!

Peppy Barrel Racing 01-27-2013 10:20 AM

I think treats can be great if administered at the correct time. But they can also be a great distraction for a horse. It depends what I'm training if I give a little treat or not.
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Newfie 01-27-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing (Post 1864587)
I think treats can be great if administered at the correct time. But they can also be a great distraction for a horse. It depends what I'm training if I give a little treat or not.
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I agree,the timing certainly has to be right.Mine are pleasure horses only.Yes,you are right about it being a distraction.That can be a disadvantage.

Foxtail Ranch 01-27-2013 11:01 AM

Newfie, what kind of behaviors have you trained your boys to do using treats?
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Newfie 01-27-2013 11:31 AM

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Newfie, what kind of behaviors have you trained your boys to do using treats?
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Basic stuff.Backing,moving right and left with leg pressure.I have done a lot of ad liberty work.Moving the hiney in both directions .Very basic stuff walking with me ad lberty as in keeping up with my footsteps no matter how fast or slow.Mirroring my movements.

Eolith 01-27-2013 11:32 AM

I never really was one for training with treats, but once I started working with mustangs it became the best way of inviting them into my space and reassuring them that all is well.

A lot of people don't feed horses too many treats because it makes them too nosey, or pushy... but for a horse who thinks it might be better to stay a good ten feet away from you at all times, treats are a useful tool.

Cherie 01-27-2013 12:50 PM

I, too, would like to know what could not be accomplished without the treat and just how they were used.

I have never had a problem getting ANY horse to back up or move over. I have never had to get 'rough' on them and I never had to use treats. So I wonder if it is just being used to replace 'effective training' by someone that does not know how to effectively use 'pressure and release'.

If you are consistent, pressure can be the pointing or mere touch of a finger or even a soft 'smooch' and 'release' is the only reward a horse needs.

Except, as mentioned, getting a horse more 'people - friendly', I have not found much that treats work better for than consistent release of pressure. Usually, the timing is too late for the horse to even make the correct connection between the act and the reward when I have watched others use treats.

The other exception may be 'tricks' which have not really interested me much. But, I have also watched trick trainers try to get horses switched to a reward other than a treat as even they start getting pushy and start demanding treats before they go to another trick or action. The treat becomes their focus.

I would like to know more about why 'traditional pressure and release' did not work and just how treats worked.

Newfie 01-27-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 1864759)
I, too, would like to know what could not be accomplished without the treat and just how they were used.

I have never had a problem getting ANY horse to back up or move over. I have never had to get 'rough' on them and I never had to use treats. So I wonder if it is just being used to replace 'effective training' by someone that does not know how to effectively use 'pressure and release'.

If you are consistent, pressure can be the pointing or mere touch of a finger or even a soft 'smooch' and 'release' is the only reward a horse needs.

Except, as mentioned, getting a horse more 'people - friendly', I have not found much that treats work better for than consistent release of pressure. Usually, the timing is too late for the horse to even make the correct connection between the act and the reward when I have watched others use treats.

The other exception may be 'tricks' which have not really interested me much. But, I have also watched trick trainers try to get horses switched to a reward other than a treat as even they start getting pushy and start demanding treats before they go to another trick or action. The treat becomes their focus.

I would like to know more about why 'traditional pressure and release' did not work and just how treats worked.

Traditional pressure and release did work.I found my horses to be more engaged and willing with treat training..That is my own personal experience.I would also like to point out [again] that treat training has been used by the Spanish riding school for over 440 yrs.So with their horses trained in haute ecole,they must be doing something right.I am not saying anything against traditional training methods.But 440 yrs is pretty traditional as well.


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