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mudpie 02-03-2013 11:52 PM

Mudpie is FAT.
 
:shock:

I rescued Mudpie at about 200 pounds underweight, and two years later, for the first time ever... he is FAT!

Mudpie sustained a suspensory injury, and now has to stand around in his stall all day. I've cut back his feed significantly, but for about a month before the injury, he wasn't in full work, and started gaining weight.

This is sort of difficult for me to deal with right now, because he can't do anything but stand still all day, and I know that his feed being cut back isn't going to do anything straight away.

He's being switched off of alfalfa to a grass/alfalfa mix.

The dilemma that I'm contemplating is that I know that Mudpie still needs to be receiving 2% of his body weight in forage (that's approx. 20 lbs). Will grass hay make it okay for me to be feeding him that weight of forage?

Mudpie's current diet is:

A.M.
1 flake (approx. 6 lbs) alfalfa
1/2 scoop (approx. 1.5 lbs) Equus Fiber Max Omega, soaked
15 mL Rest Easy Gold

P.M.
1 flake (approx. 6 lbs) alfalfa
1 scoop (approx. 3 lbs) Fiber Max Omega, soaked
15 mL Rest Easy Gold
1 scoop Farrier's Formula Double Strength
1 scoop SmartOmega 3
1.5 scoop SmartFlex I Maintenance
1 scoop U-Gard

Also, would it be okay for me to feed him less than 2% of his body weight, in the interest of him losing weight, or would that be too hard on his gastro-intestinal system? I know that obesity is a HUGE health risk in horses, and he's not obese yet, but I'm trying to make sure that that doesn't happen in the best way possible.

Thoughts? Insights? :)

Thanks!

Spotted 02-04-2013 12:01 AM

The majority if not all of his feed should be hay/grass. try slow feed nets to slow him down and keep him occupied.

paintgirl96 02-04-2013 12:27 AM

I had a horse that was on stall rest for about a month. I put his hay in a net & I also bought him something similiar to this to keep him from gaining anymore weight, http://www.doversaddlery.com/boredom...re=viewbuyrec/ & it helped him a lot. Instead of being bored & eating all day, he was playing around with it.

mudpie 02-04-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Spotted (Post 1877094)
The majority if not all of his feed should be hay/grass. try slow feed nets to slow him down and keep him occupied.

Hay definitely makes up most of his diet. He is confined to his stall for the next four months, so the only "pasture" he gets is 20-30 minutes of hand grazing a day, just so he can get out of his stall and have a treat, and I don't consider that to be any more a part of his diet than a treat. :)

The problem with slow-feed nets is that there's not really a good place for me to hang it up in his stall. Mudpie is currently in a 24 x 30 outdoor stall. Personally, the only experience I've had with hay nets/bags has been in the trailer and in a small stall at a horse show. Would it be okay to tie it to the fence at chest level? I'll attach a picture of him in his stall, so you will be able to see the fencing situation.

Thanks! :)


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Originally Posted by paintgirl96 (Post 1877109)
I had a horse that was on stall rest for about a month. I put his hay in a net & I also bought him something similiar to this to keep him from gaining anymore weight, Boredom Breaker™ | Dover Saddlery & it helped him a lot. Instead of being bored & eating all day, he was playing around with it.

Mudpie has a jolly ball hung up in his stall, and I ordered a jolly jumbo lick for him, which should arrive next week. Eating all day isn't the problem as he doesn't have the resources to eat all day, though I wish that I could enable that, as it is the way the horse's gastro-intestinal track is designed to work. :\

loveisabug 02-04-2013 12:44 AM

I bought a slow-feed net for my horse and hung it on the fence. Had never used one before and so I watched her at first to see how she did and of course she's the horse the somehow manages to get it stuck in her mouth. So now I throw it in a ground feeder and don't have to worry about her hurting herself. Slows down her eating quite a bit which is great since she doesn't have 24/7 access to hay. Hope this helped! :-)

mudpie 02-04-2013 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by loveisabug (Post 1877121)
I bought a slow-feed net for my horse and hung it on the fence. Had never used one before and so I watched her at first to see how she did and of course she's the horse the somehow manages to get it stuck in her mouth. So now I throw it in a ground feeder and don't have to worry about her hurting herself. :-)

That was another concern of mine. Mudpie is extraordinarily accident prone (i.e. pastern injury, splint bone fracture, stifle injury, suspensory injury, etc.) and pretty curious and "mouthy." I can see him getting a hay net stuck in his mouth, which is definitely not what we need right now. He's currently fed on the ground, and receives SandClear or another psyllium treatment every month, so I'm not too concerned about impaction colic as a result of sand consumption.

A slow-feed hay net is iffy right now, and sort of on the downhill side of the decision, currently.

Thanks! :)

Kayty 02-04-2013 01:19 AM

Remove the concentrates. He's not in work, he doesn't need them.

Put him on a basic grass hay, and just to keep him thinking he's getting a hard feed, give him a little white chaff with a pelleted or powdered supplement (in Australia we have Khonkes Own products - you might have a similar one in the US) to keep him on top of his vitamin/mineral needs.
With a suspensory injury, you do NOT want him fat. In fact it's better to have him a bit ribby than a bit too fat. Any excess weight, is extra weight those remaining 3 legs need to hold up. The more they have the carry, the more chance there is of injury to those legs.

Missy May 02-04-2013 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mudpie (Post 1877084)
:shock:


He's being switched off of alfalfa to a grass/alfalfa mix.


Mudpie's current diet is:

A.M.
1 flake (approx. 6 lbs) alfalfa
1/2 scoop (approx. 1.5 lbs) Equus Fiber Max Omega, soaked
15 mL Rest Easy Gold

P.M.
1 flake (approx. 6 lbs) alfalfa
1 scoop (approx. 3 lbs) Fiber Max Omega, soaked
15 mL Rest Easy Gold
1 scoop Farrier's Formula Double Strength
1 scoop SmartOmega 3
1.5 scoop SmartFlex I Maintenance
1 scoop U-Gard



Thoughts? Insights? :)

Thanks!

Is he on grass or alfalfa? Two percent is a rule of thumb for an active horse, and alfalfa is rich in calories and protien and does not take as much. He may be (probably is) an easy keeper. So, if he is still gaining and you prefer he "stablize", you have to adjust his diet w both quantity and quality in mind for his unique metabolism and needs. I would reduce the alfalfa by half a pound (total of 11 lbs a day) and see how it goes. I am guessing all the other stuff has a well reasoned basis and isn't fed in large amounts (I can't tell what quantity a scoop is -or if the 3lb scoop is when wet or dry). Grass hay adds to the quality of their life (they can eat more of it), and alfalfa can't be beat relative to the protien and low sugar content. I have fed under 2% of alfalfa and soy (a scoop:-) or two) working hard, and they remained healthy, shiney and plump. If grass were not so expensive around here, I would absolutely feed both (alfalfa and grass) for the "happy" factor - b/c both of mine are, too, easy keepers.

If you meant your are now feeding 12 lbs of grass in place of 12 lbs of alfalfa, he should start losing or stablizing pdq.

Trinity3205 02-04-2013 01:39 AM

If this was my horse, he would be switched to 100 % grass hay all he can eat from a nibble net and a quality ration balancer. Idk about your guy but my horses eat a 5 lb flake of alfalfa in less than an hour. You horse needs more chew time than 2 hours a day and more going in his gut, both for his for his mental health and to prevent ulcers while he is stall bound.
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mudpie 02-04-2013 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kayty (Post 1877141)
Remove the concentrates. He's not in work, he doesn't need them.

Put him on a basic grass hay, and just to keep him thinking he's getting a hard feed, give him a little white chaff with a pelleted or powdered supplement (in Australia we have Khonkes Own products - you might have a similar one in the US) to keep him on top of his vitamin/mineral needs.
With a suspensory injury, you do NOT want him fat. In fact it's better to have him a bit ribby than a bit too fat. Any excess weight, is extra weight those remaining 3 legs need to hold up. The more they have the carry, the more chance there is of injury to those legs.

He's not really on a lot of concentrate, and what's there is only there to mix his supplements in. :) Tomorrow I will be reducing his P.M. feeding of the Fiber Max Omega to half of what it currently is. He has a free choice himalayan salt lick, which, if I'm not mistaken, will cover the vitamin/mineral needs.

Now for the possibly stupid statement: I honestly don't know what white chaff is. It's possible that we don't have it here in California, or, more likely, I am just a complete idiot and don't know about it. Would switching him to pelleted rice bran be a good idea? What I like about Fiber Max Omega is that I feed very little of it, soak it, and it gains a lot in volume, so all the supplements mix in nicely. I feed a mere fraction of the actual, recommended serving of the feed, and, as I said before, just so that I can mix his supplements in. :)

I definitely understand the urgency of the situation, and I'm acting on it as quickly as I can. The grass hay should be delivered tomorrow, so I can start the transition immediately.

:think:

I also was wondering how much grass hay I should be feeding. Would it be detrimental to his gut health for me to cut him back to 1.5%, or even 1% of his body weight? Would this be a warranted move, in the interest of him losing weight more quickly?


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