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Uni 02-16-2013 07:47 AM

Would it be a shame not to breed her? Bloodline experience/opinion?
 
Since I've gotten her, it was obvious my mare had was a winner that had landed in the wrong hands. "Love" is a Parker Ranch born mare, registered and is by of Skippity Do Doc( out of Doc Tom Tucker) and Delsas Beauty( a full sister to Dyketown, may I add Delsas Beauty Quarter Horse ) Her confirmation is quite good, and she's got a delicate face. Though this isn't what makes me want to continue her bloodline. It's her competitive, intelligent personality. It's hard to explain really, but when you get to know her, and ride other horses, she really has this "feel" of a professional. (She thinks she's a champion already, of course)

Now the issue of breeding her fertility/lameness. My parents bought her for me as a first horse, fair priced at 5,500 ten or so years ago if we weren't so foolish back then not a to get a vet check. Of course, we only found out later that she had a lame back leg, that no vet's been quite able to figure out the source of, from being cast in her stall a year before. She 's very tough and proud, and doesn't show her any pain if she's got any, and only has ever had a funny canter to show for the injury. Since then, only in her 22nd year have I developed the skill and knowledge to recognize her ability. She was quite good to me as a novice, but gives me, and other experienced riders a test haha. Even with her leg, she's faster than my tb gelding by far, and can turn ridiculously swiftly. If I practiced reining more than than one clinic, I might have stayed on to spin her the whole way around.^^; Still, she does get stiff with a lot of workout, and I often have to give her linament, and used to bute when it was more serious. The vet had given her a cautious all clear for breeding and fertility at 16, but doubted she'd ever had a foal, so it would be harder for her at that and now this age, and the possibility of her stiffening up or getting stuck in the leg during birth was out there.

Anyway, I'm basically asking for opinions on wether or not it'd be worth trying to breed her, given the possibilities, and if it'd be a shame given her bloodlines and ability. If only I had the money and resources to freeze her eggs ;/..I'm also curious if anyone is familiar with her bloodlines at all. Since she's l hawaii born, I'm sure such might not be possible but oh well. Also, I'm not looking for opinions based on my experience, as I'm aware I'm not a breeder. I fully intend to keep the foal, should I decide to breed my mare, and work with someone with more experience than myself, because Love is quite precious to me.

Speed Racer 02-16-2013 08:16 AM

I doubt her bloodlines are rare, or that there aren't plenty of horses already out there who have the same pedigree. Breeding without having a clear goal in mind for what you're trying to accomplish with a foal is unnecessary.

At 22 and not having been bred for at least 10 years, if ever, I can't see why you'd deliberately put her life in danger now that she's an aged mare. Are you prepared to lose her as well as her unborn foal if things go wrong? If you can't say yes, then don't do it.

There's absolutely no good reason to breed this mare, especially since she's older.

CLaPorte432 02-16-2013 08:41 AM

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You fail to mention what she has ACTUALLY done. Was she shown? In what? Points/Money winner?

Has she been genetic tested for anything bad that could be passed on? HERDA, HYPP, LWOS? (If carried in the bloodline)

Her pedigree is...average. Not good. Not bad.

Pictures would be a must to determine how her conformation really is.

I cant think of any reason to breed this mare, but to each their own. Work closely with a vet if you decide to go though with a breeding.
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Tracer 02-16-2013 09:26 AM

I would never even consider breeding a mare that was that age. Like SR said, it's far too risky. Maybe you could have bred her a few years ago, but now I don't think it'd be worth it for you or her.

dbarabians 02-16-2013 10:21 AM

I have no problem breeding a mare well into her 20's.
All our older mares though have foaled before and well before they are 22.
If she is in good shape and sound for breeding there is no reason she cannot have a healthy gestation and foaling.
However, at 22 she might not conceive. If you are set on trying good luck.
At her age and with her soundness issues you could buy a prospect without the wait for her replacement. Especially with the current price of horses. Just try and find one with her bloodlines or similar ones. Shalom

rookie 02-16-2013 06:04 PM

I think if she is a maiden mare (never had a foal) then its hands down not worth the risk. You can breed a mare at that age and have the mare conceive. That said its a higher risk pregnancy and it may be harder to keep the mare in foal. You can't ride a pedigree and pregnancy has a risk for all horses. If you love your mare and are questioning the decision to breed I would pass. To be honest, its not a shame not to breed, its a shame to risk a mare and foals life.

riccil0ve 02-16-2013 06:32 PM

I just want to add, on top of the posts already made, that it is NEVER a shame not to breed. I don't think there's a horse in the world that would be a "shame" not to breed.
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dbarabians 02-16-2013 06:41 PM

There are plenty of horses that IMO truly justify breeding. Thee Desparado , Alydar, Doc Bar, Poco Lena, Bask, Shining Spark, just to name a few.
Most will not impact their breeds as these horses have.
OP your mare will not lay awake at night worring about what potential she had a s a broodmare.
As riccilove posted there is no shame in not breeding. Shalom

Uni 02-16-2013 08:06 PM

I agree that there's many horses with better bloodlines, there always will be. Though that's not really what justifies other horses bloodlines as not worthy breeding, I think. Also, I wouldn't consider it if she wasn't so healthy and fulll of vigor in her age. It's unlikely that she'd die from the pregnancy, it might just make it harder for her get back up or down, so it'd be uncomfortable for her. She actually had done some competing, but her owner wasn't exactly the type to bring out her ability. Though she has placed a few times in poles, and reining with myself when I was a bit younger. I'd decided that her limited canter, and her stiffness issues were good grounds to retire her to pleasure.

I'd say a lot of broodmares with successful foals have never actually won many competitions themselves. Personally, I just felt that her injury was a shame because it would never let her do the thing she was best at, and most enjoyed, competing. I feel like a good stud could bring a foal with her ability out. I've never gotten to train a horse up from anything but green, so it'd be a new challenge for me. That's my main goal with it. However, I agree with most of what you guys have said, and appreciate the imput.

(I really haven't got any of her good conformation pictures on this computer, otherwise I'd post some. But she's always been noted for being almost exactly built like the aqha qh logo, although she's shorter in the back and neck.) Thanks for your imput, I think I may not breed her, though if I could implant her eggs that'd be another thing. Oh well, I'll take it from here.

PonyPainter 02-16-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by riccil0ve (Post 1897630)
I just want to add, on top of the posts already made, that it is NEVER a shame not to breed. I don't think there's a horse in the world that would be a "shame" not to breed.

Perfectly stated :-)


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