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SEAmom 02-18-2013 12:19 AM

Hoof critique after new farrier
 
These are 1.5 weeks after the last trim and shoe reset. After about a week, he lost the front left shoe and it was replaced 3 days before I took these pictures (today). I don't think this farrier is doing my horse any favors. I didn't think after the initial trim and even more so after he lost a shoe for the first time ever.

Here are the pictures:

Left Front
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps6a42e912.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...pse60ed829.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps6acf9b05.jpg

Left hind:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps9b97305a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps79cae504.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps123df127.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps83921aae.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psae11da43.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps4690856f.jpg

Front right:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps561d45c0.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psb5080037.jpg

SEAmom 02-18-2013 12:20 AM

Here are the rest

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psece098a2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps6a16427f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps6dbd2ec4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psad6f787e.jpg

Right rear:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps11886c8e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps580901b1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psf19ac5bd.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps99f6b143.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps8de9d463.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps29eb101b.jpg

General leg shots (just in case)

Front of the front legs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps9e15b26d.jpg

Front of the hind legs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps099216db.jpg

Back of the rear legs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psd54177c8.jpg

Missy May 02-18-2013 12:37 AM

To me, the toes look way to long - w shoes they will just get longer. The frogs appear in line w the heels, so that is why I singled out the toes. And, while it is a given that few do hot shoeing anymore, it just seems like they could be better fitted. In the one pic (4th from the bottom) it appears as if the heels are quite a bit out of balance. I am not an expert...but there are a few around that will chime in.

waresbear 02-18-2013 12:42 AM

One thing I don't like, the end of the shoes coming into the heels and frog like that. Almost asking for contracted heels.

SEAmom 02-18-2013 06:58 AM

This guy does do hot shoeing and he did that with my guy - I watched.
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Clava 02-18-2013 07:22 AM

Heels are way too high for my liking.

princessfluffybritches 02-18-2013 12:14 PM

FWIW, those look like the balance side to side on my horse! Shame on someone "professional" to leave him like that.

LF: Gross imbalance side to side. Lay on the ground and look at how crooked your coronary band is. The heels are easy to see how one side is higher than the other. If he is trying to correct your horse, if he is over 2 years old-don't. That coronary band should be level with the floor. The shoes look a bit tight for a trim done 1.5 week ago. I would expect that more at 6 weeks. The shoes should go farther out in back to give support to the back of the hoof. However, if he pulls shoes, the farrier may have to shorten them, or you may have to resort to thick leather bell boot that cover the end of the shoe.

LR, same imbalance, must be corrected. The toe should come back, however you horse's hoof walls are thin and you may have to wait till there's thicker walls to do something, or put shoes on that are set back in front. A horse hoof supplement with biotin will grow out nice thick walls, but it will take months for the healthy wall to grow down to the end.

RF. Heels left too long. Toe has to come back. Put a straight edge on the front of the hoof and see that there's flare?. Side to side imbalance. Shoes too tight and short under heels.

RR. has one side higher than the other. See the bump holding up the heel on the side view? That is not good and he has plenty of room to reduce/shorten that. There needs to be more support of the heel by rasping away some of that . You can't rasp all of it away, but a good portion can come off. See the bullnose in the hoof from the side? It looks like the angle was lower than it should be to cause that, and he left alot of hoof and left heel to get her angle up. It doesn't work that way. And that arch relief should be just enough to slide a credit card thru. Look at the side views of the hind feet. You can see that they are not trimmed the same way. One has a large quarter relief and the other does not. RR looks like he didn't hold his rasp level and scalped the sides and tried to fix it by leaving that lump holding up the heel.

Interview another farrier, and without saying anything, see how much of that he says is wrong. If he mentions most of this, he may know what he's doing.

Full body: Your horse toes out. If your horse is older than 2, you cannot fix this without harming your horse. I have a farrier like that now, and now I have xrays to back up "don't fix her". He still needs to be balanced side to side, and front to back. This farrier is making pretty big errors.

What breed is the horse?

You are right for seeing something not right and posting these pictures. Good for you! Hot shoeing is great -from someone who knows what he's doing. This guy does not.

Missy May 02-18-2013 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEAmom (Post 1899957)
This guy does do hot shoeing and he did that with my guy - I watched.
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Hmmm. Maybe I am just seeing things, but long ago when I had my horses shod I wanted them dead even from the toes back aroung to the quarters (no lip)...and of course a tiny bit "wider" in the back. Pictures can be decieving...but it looks like there is a lip on them.

I agree w fluffy, I would have another farrier w references do them next, and not say anything about what you are questioning about this guy's work.

If it were one of mine, I would worry about them stumbling on rough ground if their toes were this long.

SEAmom 02-18-2013 12:54 PM

Princess - thank you very much for the in-depth description by foot. That's very helpful. I got in contact with someone today who was recommended by a vet. I'll find out tonight when he can come out for my guy. He does another horse at my barn, so he wants to keep it on the same schedule.

He's a coming 5 year old arabian. He doesn't toe out like that normally, but he does toe out just a little. What is pictured is not even close to last summer - I had taken pictures. I even noticed how off his front legs are a week or so ago.

He is on a good hoof supplement. He's been on it for close to 2 years and his feet grow like crazy with or without it.

With my last farrier, he would have me look at his feet when they were done and told me what I'm seeing and what to look for. That's what alerted me immediately with this most recent farrier. It looks much different than what I'd been taught to look for. I was really surprised when I told this farrier that he had a slight club in his RF and he told me that his LF was actually a club and not the RF.
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SEAmom 02-18-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missy May (Post 1900327)
Hmmm. Maybe I am just seeing things, but long ago when I had my horses shod I wanted them dead even from the toes back aroung to the quarters (no lip)...and of course a tiny bit "wider" in the back. Pictures can be decieving...but it looks like there is a lip on them.

I agree w fluffy, I would have another farrier w references do them next, and not say anything about what you are questioning about this guy's work.

If it were one of mine, I would worry about them stumbling on rough ground if their toes were this long.


He does stumble - on all ground. He lets me know if his feet need done sooner than I'm expecting because he'll start tripping and stumbling with growing frequency. He's been tripping for the past couple of weeks. Since roughly a week or two before his last trim when I was looking for a new farrier after mine moved a week before he was sure for his next trim.
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