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Fort fireman 02-19-2013 07:27 PM

anybody know about this guy?
 
just what it says. Anybody know anything about this guy. Some of the videos looks like he does some nice work.

MODERN VAQUERO

COWCHICK77 02-19-2013 07:39 PM

I'll be back...

boots 02-19-2013 09:21 PM

He doesn't get much respect in punchy circles. Does well in Europe and other places where they don't actually work cattle but think they like the notion of cowboying. He just spends too much time showing off rather than sparing his horse like a real buckaroo/vaquero prides themself on doing. Lot of wasted motion. Some thinks he takes shortcuts and focuses more on headset and spins than skills. I suppose pretending to be punchy is part of the schtick.

But, hey, the dude is making money for himself and gear makers, so what?

Has some darn good music on his website, doesn't he? That Adrian is quite a singer and tells a good story. And I'm a fan of Spanish composed classical guitar.

COWCHICK77 02-19-2013 09:26 PM

Oh boots...you just made my day :)

Fort fireman 02-19-2013 10:30 PM

Thanks for the info. I've never heard anyone say anything about the guy. Good, bad or indifferent.

Wanstrom Horses 02-20-2013 01:19 AM

I personally like Jeff Sanders. He's got good hands a nice seat and he's quiet. Some things your punchy Buckaroos may forget sometimes. He my not be your gritty, punchy, cowboy, but he's a pretty decent horseman in my opinion..

Toymanator 02-20-2013 02:29 AM

I usually stay out of these, it's not my place to defend them and frankly they don't need it. But Jeff Sanders is a good friend of mine, he is a top hand. He used to team rope and did well at it. But has since switched to full time teaching and training. He is not a "punchy" guy, And would probably smile at that comment. He grew up in California and learned the old traditional ways from some great horsemen. He has studied with some of the best baroque dressage trainers in the world. He is an extremely well rounded horseman, we have had numerous discussions about many aspects of horses and his knowledge is very deep. I have a lot of respect for Jeff, he has helped me more with my horses than most guys that I have ridden with. And the man is incredible with a rope. I know most people could learn a thing or two about cattle from him.

To say that the people in Europe don't actually work cattle is quite untrue. Most of his clinics are taught in an arena with cattle. Something you don't see many trainers do. I consider him to be the real deal, and have always thought that if I can get my horses as quiet and responsive as Jeff's I will have made it in life. How's that for a plug? :wink:

boots 02-20-2013 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanstrom Horses (Post 1903425)
I personally like Jeff Sanders. He's got good hands a nice seat and he's quiet. Some things your punchy Buckaroos may forget sometimes. He my not be your gritty, punchy, cowboy, but he's a pretty decent horseman in my opinion..

I don't personally have any "punchy Buckaroos," but the hands I know are very good with horses. They don't take shortcuts with a horse's training, and they don't pester a horse for purpose of show. :lol:

boots 02-20-2013 07:58 AM

"Punchy" isn't a derogatory term here. But probably doesn't play well (get understood by) to a larger audience. Too regionally specific.

Just like the term "cowboy" has been twisted to mean thoughtless training practices and using a western saddle to merely stay aboard a horse in many areas.

Wanstrom Horses 02-20-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by boots (Post 1903532)
I don't personally have any "punchy Buckaroos," but the hands I know are very good with horses. They don't take shortcuts with a horse's training, and they don't pester a horse for purpose of show. :lol:

I've seen plenty of buckaroos that think they are pretty punchy that's actually are very heavy handed. I have a pretty good friend that is that way. He's a hell of a cowboy, but is a lacking horseman. I haven't seen any "pestering" in Jeff Sanders methods per say, and I like the fact that he is giving insight to vaquero horsemanship all over the world and promoting it. It's a dying art.. I agree with you that he may spend more time on making a horse look good, and focus a lot on headset, but sometimes that isn't a bad thing. He's promoting himself as a horseman and not as a cowboy. What can I say, us true, working, buckaroos don't have time to promote vaquero horsemanship, especially with calving season :D So we leave it up to a guy like him!


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