Agressive Stallion REFUSED to lay down *LONG*
Let me start off by saying that I am very experience in horse training. I have a 4 year degree in Western Horsemanship from Univ. Of Findlay.
Now. Let me give you the short version here...
I have rarely in my training ever had to lay a horse down. A handful of times. I do it correctly I do it humanely and I do it safely.
That being said. I got in a 3 year old Appy stallion for training a few days ago. He has become so aggressive the owners cannot handle him anymore and are going to sell him but wanted to get him trained first.
Don't say it.. I told them. he should be gelded first off. Not my horse not my decision.
THat being said.. they have spent the last three years letting this A$$hole become who he is... ramming through people.. rearing.. striking. He would not even walk in the stall when he came here two days ago. we had to blindfold him to get him in.
So I went to work today. Lunged the crap out of him than when he was good an tired started laying down work. I have NEVER had a horse fight with the leg hobble so much from the start. Everytime I pulled it a bit to get him used to it he would stomp his foot nonstop so hard I thought he was going to hurt himself.
Flash forward.... I spent THREE hours working this horse down til he would tolerate holding the leg up without fighting.. He is by this point pouring sweat... legs trembling from being tired.. and no matter how much I waited him out.. kept asking him to lay.. he would not give in. I hate to say it but this horse beat even me. I figured by this point he was so dog tired we might be able to get him to walk in the stall. he had given up trying to fight out of the hobble but refused to lay down.
STILL wouldn't go in the stall lunging forward and striking.. reared a few times. but finally I think he realized I was going to win at this I guess and gave in. We no have no issue with him going in and out of stalls.
Now after this long drawn out story... anyone else have similar issues with a very aggressive horse? Ive never had one fight so long and still be no where near laying down and giving in.
Wow. Sounds like a handful, and I wish you the best of luck. I am by NO means a trainer, but it sounds like you had a TEESNY bit of progress - today he went into his stall, not blindfolded. I would say to try again, every day, maybe even twice a day, until he gets it, if laying him down is what you want to do. You made a bit of progress with the leg hobble too - so maybe, like the stall when he realized he wasn't winning, one of these coming days he'll get it through his head that he is going to have to lay down.
Again. Not a trainer here, but that's my take on it. I'm sure others will chip in with advice too. :)
Sounds like he had his way for a long time, so his attitude adjustment will be a long drawn out battle of wills. Waiting to hear more.
I followed the thread of "Delete" hopefully yours will turn out the same! I wish you luck and be careful!
Yes I have had horses that did not lay down easily with one foot up. Are you just trying to rock the horse back with a foot up and his head over to the opposite side? Does this horse tie OK?
There are other techniques. I will PM you with details since I really to not want to explain that much on an open forum. I am afraid some novice will get hurt or hurt a horse trying to do something they have no business trying.
I would very much appreciate that.
Yes That is what I was doing. Rocking back and forth. he would basically give a little hop everytime. Every other time I have had to use this technique when horses got tired/gave up they would slowly lean back than lay down. This guy was NOT gonna do it even though he stopped fighting the one leg hobble. I tried slowly rocking with the head and with the one leg hobble no luck. I would get a small hop everytime.. and this guy was dead tired by this point. Never had a horse go that long (nearly 4 hours) AND still not even lay down once.
Forgot to add. THe horse does tie ok.
the first time I cross tied him he did give a little rear in ties (mine are kind of scary they are higher hanging chains) but he settled right down after he realized he was tied and I told him whoa. He straight ties with no issues.
Here is a picture of the brat
I agree with Shoebox- while you didn't accomplish what you were planning on, just getting him to go in and out of the stall properly is huge. Especially huge given what you've told us of his personality and responses. So while it wasn't your plan, sometimes you have to be flexible, and you still got a 'win' in. Keep at it. Keep pushing him and being consistent and I bet he will finally decide to give it. Once you get that, he will have a chance to learn how much easier life is if he lets you be in charge and you'll be on the way to the right path.
I hope you will keep updating us on him- I am always interested in these tough cases. Do you think horses like this ever become relaxed enough to be handled by 'average' competent horse people, or will he always need a very skilled handler? Or can you even venture a guess at this point?
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