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Elizabeth Bowers 03-11-2013 12:54 PM

Silver dapple, and other 'silvers'?
 
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Color guru's i'm asking for assistance please! :-)
I'm fascinated with the silver dapple. I understand that silver dapple X with a bay gets you a 'silver bay'.
But are there any other 'silver' combinations out there?
Also what is the genetic code for a silver dapple?
And what combinations can you use to hopefully help getting the 'silver dapple'? And i hear about the 'true black' silver dapple?
Is that even possible? :shock:

Thank you for your help!

A beautiful example of a silver dapple
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"blackest" silver dapple?
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Critter sitter 03-11-2013 01:02 PM

IDK but they are both Purty Horses!! I love the contrasts with the manes

cowgirl4753 03-11-2013 01:09 PM

All I know about silver is it doesnt express on red based horses.
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kenda 03-11-2013 01:20 PM

The "silver dapple" or "silver bay" is caused by the same gene, denoted by the letter "Z". The term silver dapple is somewhat of a misnomer since the gene that produces a black with silver will not always produce the dappled effect.

A black horse with silver is:
E? aa Z?

A bay with silver is:
E? A? Z?
where the ? denotes that the second gene can be either dominant or recessive and make no difference in the resulting horse colour.

The silver gene can be carried by a chestnut/red based horse, but it will not show up externally.

The appearance of the silver horses can also be effected by other genes present. A silver bay with a single cream gene would result in a silver buckskin, for example. With two cream genes present, the silver effect would be diluted right along with the rest of the horse to the point that physically you could not tell that it was present. Similarly, the champagne, and dun genes would change the outward appeanance of the coat, while the tobiano, overo, roan, and appaloosa genes would still display their own effects as normal.

Tryst 03-11-2013 02:06 PM

Silver can express on brown, buckskin, brownskin, smokey black, black based duns, etc.

This web site has examples of many silver dapple horses: Silver Equine - Silver Dapple

Elizabeth Bowers 03-11-2013 02:53 PM

Thanks everyone! This is great to know! I'll be going and checking it out!! :-)

kenda 03-11-2013 03:00 PM

Oops, I typoed,

The black horse with silver should be:
E? *aa Z?



ETA: and now I know why, the forum autocorrected it to a capitalized A.

Elizabeth Bowers 03-11-2013 03:34 PM

LOL Kenda, that makes more sense :wink:

PunksTank 03-11-2013 05:57 PM

From what I know, silver can only effect black based horses - every black based horse, with any other dilution will show silver (unless double dilute cream, then it may not be noticeable :P). It's mostly noticeable on horses who are all black or have at least black points.

I have a silver brown and t our rescue we have a silver black, who's more diluted through the body than your OP pic.

Our silver black sabino mare:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8222/8...0abb7a45cf.jpg

My silver brown pony with his little giraffe legs :3
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8362/8...a2937ce951.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8068/8...7880faf75e.jpg

Peppy Barrel Racing 03-11-2013 08:17 PM

Silver cannot effect red pigment so red based horses can not show silver but can carry it. That's why on silver bays only the black pigmented hairs are effected.
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