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Star2Star 04-16-2007 05:35 PM

Mare Puposely Rolls on Riders
So a friend and I have been working with a 12-year-old paint mare. She's shown some signs of calming down and behaving better, but... she neurotic as all get out. We never know if she's going to be calm from one day to the next. Both us of have been making her yield and lunge before getting on her and that seems to help. But she has an ego the size of Texas! She hates to yield at all but will do it if you are willing to wait, and wait. The thing is she was out with an experienced rider not to long ago and she tried to roll on them. The saddle broke and saved the rider but the thing is, she keeps trying it with almost everyone that gets on her. Someone was just asking her to walk calmly and suddenly with seemingly no reason she tried to roll. It didn’t work thank goodness but I’m worried. I don’t want her to keep trying this, any ideas?

TxHorseMom 04-17-2007 05:15 AM

A horse rolling is a VERY DANGEROUS thing. I am not sure how experienced you are training a horse, but if you're not very experienced, I would recommend sending her out to a trainer. If you are experienced, you need to do two things. First start off with more ground work. If you don't already have them, get Clinton Andersons lunging for respect. (She doesn't respect you, or would never try that.)

Then, once you get her respect on the ground, and she's doing all that you ask of her, get on her again. She shouldn't do it anymore, but she may try. If she does try, get her moving. Really work her. Start out with some loping, then do some circles, some serpentines, all the while speeding up and slowing down. Get her to understand that pulling that type of trick is only going to get her more work. (not get you off her, which is what she wants I suspect.) It shouldn't be long before she stops. But remember, get her respect on the ground before you get on her again. Good luck and keep us posted.

Backyard Rider 04-17-2007 08:45 AM

I agree with what was said above. Your putting yourself in a very dangerous situation. I would get a trainer out to access the situation. Obviously, you have no respect from this horse, which is very dangerous. You can do ground work like said above, but I would recommend getting an expert's opinion.

Good luck and stay safe.

Desert Rat 04-17-2007 02:05 PM

This is bad. She got away with it once and found out it worked for her. If she were mine this would be the time she found out what a set of spures were ment for.

kristy 04-17-2007 09:00 PM

I'm in the same boat as Desert Rat. This is a dangerous situation, so I'd make this as uncomfortable as possible for the horse.
If you are going to continue riding, then be prepared. Once the horse has initiated that fact she is going to roll, make a HUGE fuss. Carry a crop with you and tap firmly on the rump and side she is falling toward. Scream, yell, kick, and firmly use your crop. If you prefer spurs, use them as well. If she goes to the ground, clap, scream, use your whip and make her get up. Mount again and repeat until she learns she will only be disturbed if she rolls.

Star2Star 04-17-2007 09:08 PM

I think, when first time this happened it was accident on the mare's part but sense then she's been trying to use it to get her way. I do intend to start carrying a crop. Thanks for the advice it's been very helpful.

mommadog1956 04-18-2007 08:23 AM

first off, i agree with everyone else. it can be a dangerous thing, a rolling horse, plus, its kinda hard on a saddle. :shock:

let me add this...go watch your horses in their pens. every horse has their own way of going down to roll. learn their pattern and then you will know by their behavior when they are getting ready to do it.

some friends were at the indoor arena a couple of weeks ago, and i had our newest gelding with me. the guy we are buying him from was there, so i had him get on "Splash" first, so i could observe his riding action. the dirt in the arena was freshly turned, so it was very soft and fluffy. right away Splash pawed a couple of times, put his head down, and then before anybody could say anything, he was down on the ground rolling. David got clear of the saddle, and started poking Splash, and he got back up.
so then i got on him a few minutes later, and immediately he started doing the same with me. i realized right away what he was doing so i kicked him, to disengage his hindquarters, and got him moving. he didn't try it again.

you would have thought after the first time, David would have recognized the signs what was coming, but as soon as he got on his own horse, it did the same thing!!!

so after all this, i've started watching the two geldings in their pen, so that i know ahead of time, what their signals are. then i can stop it before it happens. :D

Desert Rat 04-18-2007 10:41 AM

It's seems like it's always the same if there are two animals. When one roles then it's a monky see, monky do with the other one. Being around mules this is more common then in horses and mine have regular pits scraped out. They tend to use the same hole all the time also. However I've never had or seen a mule try to roll with anyone on them. But if they are un tacked then katy bar the door. They have to drop and roll.

futolympeventer327 04-22-2007 12:39 AM

i agree with what everyone before me said but i'm just curious have you had her checked out by a vet or saddle fitter? My friends horse used to lie down randomly or back up really fast. Turned out he has a nerve very close to the surface near where the girth goes and even just shifting your weight could cause pressure on it and he would back up or lie down. Or it could be simply she is in pain from an ill fitting saddle, horses generally are not out to be mean they are in pain and have no other way to tell you.

Nita 05-25-2007 10:10 PM

My horse did that a couple of times and when I would feel her start to go down I would jump off, smack her hard w/ the reins until she got up and would make her work hard once she was up. However, if you feel endangered and like you can't handle it, get a pro to help you or get rid of her.

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