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SorrelHorse 03-17-2013 01:42 AM

Help me out - She's brown, not bay, right?
 
Alright so me and my Mom are arguing over this so I want to get a second opinion.

My Mom says Selena is bay. I say she is brown based on what I have read on here. It is quite possible I am wrong. She has very black points but her "soft" areas lighten a lot in the winter. There is no mistaking a brown horse in the winter, right?

Also, her sire is Lean With Me who I'm positive is brown unless everything I've guessed is wrong so far.


http://www.selectbreeders.com/system...jpg?1302813851

Her dam was a solid sorrel. No pictures though.

Here is a link to her pedigree.

Leana Little Quarter Horse

Pictures of the little monster:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...29015920_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...90141150_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...88551663_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...02889137_n.jpg

So, what's the verdict based on the info here? I know there's not a huge amount of difference between brown and bay but I'd like to make the best educated assumption without testing.

Wildcard 03-17-2013 01:52 AM

The horse in the pictures with the rider etc is a wry clear bay. Blood bay if you want to be specific. This is because she is a reddish overall body colour with clear black points on her legs and mane and tail. If she were brown then her whole body would be one colour with hard to distinguish black points and possibly brown mane and tail. The picture of the horse at the top, the sire? That is a brown horse. :) hope this helps
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Wildcard 03-17-2013 01:53 AM

Very*
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DraftyAiresMum 03-17-2013 01:57 AM

I'm gonna say she's brown. The light tan on her muzzle, by her eyes, and in her soft points are good indicators of brown.
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Wildcard 03-17-2013 01:58 AM

However the rest of her body is clear bay??
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Wildcard 03-17-2013 02:00 AM

Morgan Colors- The Base Colors: Chestnut, Black, Bay and Brown Morgan Horses
Based on genes, and on the photos posted, the horse can be bay with a light nose but this horse is definitely NOT brown.
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KyMoMoF3CuTiEs 03-17-2013 02:01 AM

Are bays not brown? The undercoat? Or is it red? :)
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grayshell38 03-17-2013 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcard (Post 1941381)
However the rest of her body is clear bay??
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Do you understand what it means to be genetically brown vs bay? The OP's horse is clearly brown. And the darker horse at the top of the page is bay. Genetically speaking, of course. Litterallythough, yeah, they are both brownish. :wink:

Wildcard 03-17-2013 02:03 AM

Bay is the agouti gene, can be variations of red and brown however there is a distinct difference between what is commonly seen as bay and brown. My friends blood bay Arab is the exact colour as this horse and he has been colour tested.
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Wildcard 03-17-2013 02:03 AM

I believe you are backwards lol
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Originally Posted by grayshell38 (Post 1941385)
Do you understand what it means to be genetically brown vs bay? The OP's horse is clearly brown. And the darker horse at the top of the page is bay. Genetically speaking, of course. Litterallythough, yeah, they are both brownish. :wink:

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