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whitetrashwarmblood 10-10-2008 11:49 PM

Gag Bits?
 
Does anyone on here use one?
How are they better or worse then a regular bit?

lizzie_magic 10-11-2008 03:27 AM

I used a dutch gag on a horse before and it worked heaps better than a loos ring snaffle but my sister found that the same horse went better in a snaffle for her. Your question dosn't really have a answere. Every horse and rider combination work better with different things. Also what are you refering to as a regular bit?

iridehorses 10-11-2008 11:29 AM

A gag bit is very severe in untrained hands. Honestly if you don't know what it does then you should be avoiding it.

What is your horse doing that the question comes up?

I googled "gag bits" and came up with a number of articles. They all pretty much agree with my assessment about the severity of the bit. This is one of the articles: How to Use a Horse Gag Bit | eHow.com

whitetrashwarmblood 10-12-2008 12:18 AM

Well, when I bought my mare she had a very hard mouth, so I've finally gotten her to respond and soften up a bit to a straight bar snaffle with a roller in the middle. But she still doesn't like to stop, and if she gets excited she runs right threw the bit. I want to try and keep her in some sort of snaffle if possible. If you think a gag bit is too harsh than do you think that some more softening or even transition exercises would help with stopping and such. I just saw the gag bit in a few catalogs and thought it could be a possibility.

whitetrashwarmblood 10-12-2008 12:23 AM

Oh wow!
after reading that article iridehorses it does sound a little too harsh of a bit
=S

iridehorses 10-12-2008 09:16 AM

Try a lot of transitions, one rein stops, and half halts. If you want a little more to your bit then try a running martingale (training fork).

There are so many advertisements for quick fixes and some are worthwhile but only in educated hands. There is no substitute for training and that takes time, especially if it involves retraining.

claireauriga 10-12-2008 10:00 AM

I'm guessing an American gag bit is something different to a British one?

At my stables, a few horses wear gag bits - they look like this:

http://www.horsetackinternational.co...ta-gag-bit.jpg

Usually the rein is attached to the large ring so they just work as a snaffle. However, with some horses that occasionally need a reminder to put their heads down, the rein will be put on one of the two rings below. This adds a small amount of leverage on the poll - not much, a ratio of either 1:1 or 1:2 - and it helps beginners who are gentle with their hands. Obviously the gag bit can also function in the hands of a better rider in a similar fashion to a double bridle, with two reins: one on the big ring, one on the little ones, so that you can select the snaffle or leveraged action as you need it.

But on Google I see things like these:

http://tarpinhill.net/images/little%...%20snaffle.jpg http://www.horsetackinternational.co...87-gag-bit.jpg

They look much harsher as they have much longer shanks. Are these what are thought of when an American refers to a gag?

Spirithorse 10-13-2008 12:58 PM

I would never use a gag bit on any horse. Getting a harsher bit never, ever works. I work at a tack shop and after I show people the mechanics of gag bits they usually decide against buying one.

kickshaw 10-13-2008 01:22 PM

gag bits can be like those above (milder) or they can be like these (lots of poll pressure:

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/m...untitled-9.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/m...untitled-8.jpg

I'd steer clear and get a true fix :)

whitetrashwarmblood 10-13-2008 10:05 PM

alright
steering clear of those gag bits
thanks guys!
:-)


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