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Palomine 03-28-2013 07:11 AM

Horse killed at CA's in TX?
Does anyone know of horses dying at CA's place in TX?

According to owner of deceased horse, the horse was "tied low" staff left horse and when came back?

Horse was dead.

Necropsy was not done, per CA saying it would prove nothing nor show why horse died.

Owner 200 miles away, and was told it would be thousands of dollars.

According to owner, prior to horse being sent down to TX. This posted 2/15/13 on farm's FB page.

"Pharaoh the fabulous Friesian is getting ready to be shipped off to boot camp. A training facility that is so tough on horses even my vet says he may come home hairless. I lost sleep thinking about this and having second and third thoughts. Do I really want to put him through this? But even after all the worrying and sleepless nights, the answer is yes, because my dream is to ride with him and for him to have a fun and useful life. I've been getting him ready by cutting way back on his feed and hay. And he is slimming down and his naughty energy is a tiny bit reduced. His major issue is bolting and bucking. I need professionals to ride through his huge powerful bucking and get him over the trauma of having people being injured by it. He doesn't trust anyone on his back anymore because they all keep falling off. (That includes me!)
So fingers crossed that this highly feared yet respected training facility will be able to get him ride-able and buck-less."

Owner further states she was "warned by CA that horses die in this program" several times.

The below from page.

"The story of my experience with Clinton Anderson Academy and the Downunder Ranch and the loss of my 16.2 fabulous black Friesian was so sad. Clinton himself told me several times, horses die in this program. I really thought it was a scare tactic to keep out the wimps. I never in the world thought a world class outfit like his would ever allow horses to actually die. But my horse is now buried at the Downunder Ranch in Stephenville, TX,
Our money for training was returned to us. He offered us a 14.1 hand gelding but I turned it down because I do not have any use for a pony on this farm. We already have a couple 14.1 hand ponies. He offered a free training for any horse in the future. But I won't ever use that. How could I? My trust and confidence has been destroyed. So the moral to the story is to believe what people tell you. If they say horses die in this program believe them."

While I have questions about someone sending horse off after being told this?

I have far more questions for a trainer that openly acknowledges that horses die in his care, when he touts himself as a "gentle trainer"?

This from owner as to what happened.

"What Clinton told me was that he had been tied out low to graze for two hours. When the academy student came back to get him he was laying down and was dead. He could have fallen and broke his neck, heart attack, anuerism. Clinton said that it must have been fast because there was no signs of colic (struggle or rolling). Because it happened so quickly they did not think an autopsy would be able to identify conclusively the COD."

I do also know that for years people talked about Shirley Roth, and Cleve Wells too, and they had horses die as well in their care, and nothing was done to them until recently.

As for tying low? If this is the old school method of hobbling? That means tying horse's head to one front foot and leaving them to fight it out. NOT a kind gentle way to train in my thoughts.

And people who live near his place, say it is not the "happy horsey" place he talks about either.

Fahntasia 03-28-2013 07:22 AM

Holy crap......I would never leave my horse In the care of ANYONE or ANYPLACE that has a reputation of having horses die in their care. That is just terrible!!

gypsygirl 03-28-2013 07:30 AM

honestly, the owner sounds not that smart imo. so its really hard to say what actually happened.

I need professionals to ride through his huge powerful bucking and get him over the trauma of having people being injured by it. He doesn't trust anyone on his back anymore because they all keep falling off. (That includes me!)
really ??!

Palomine 03-28-2013 07:30 AM

Sadly, people do.

Shirley Roth was pretty well known in WP for killing horses and abusing them, but nothing was said or done openly until last year. Same with Cleve Wells. And others of all breeds/disciplines too.

Am hoping that others will know of horses that died to see if this is common?

greentree 03-28-2013 08:08 AM

Honestly. People get horses TAKEN by the HS for less.....we have an endurance rider who kills horses, and STILL gets new followers. Makes NO sense to me, and I will not give either of them the time of day.


MelissaAnn 03-28-2013 08:45 AM

Wow, this is crazy. Ive never heard of horses dying at the CA ranch, has anyone else?

texasgal 03-28-2013 09:07 AM

One side of the story, folks. But it makes good fodder for a witch hunt.

I don't know the facts .. just am not ready to jump on the bandwagon ...

Saddlebag 03-28-2013 09:10 AM

Sounds like the main aorta blew, like Hickstead if there was no struggle. The dirt around the horse tells a lot. A struggling horse or one that fought the rope will show in the dirt. Same if no struggle. We never know if or when this can happen. A friend was trotting her mare when it dropped like a sack of potatoes. She had blown the main aorta.

MelissaAnn 03-28-2013 09:10 AM

The fact that she was "cutting down on hay and grain" before the horse left is frightening. Poor thing was probably hungry and weak when he left for an intensive training program. That sounds like a recipe for disaster.

texasgal 03-28-2013 09:11 AM

The only think I'm finding on the internet about this is the OP posting about it on other horse forums .....

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