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Join-Up or Parelli? (Or both?!)
About 10 Years ago, I went to see a demonstration by Kelly Marx (A Monty Roberts Diciple)... I was totally amazed by what I saw, and was an instant convert. I believe join-up is the best method to bond with your horse.
I'm intrigued as to what other people's thoughts are? It was mentioned (not favourably) in another article, so I want to understand the reservations that people have.
This is probably contentious... but I actually prefer it to the Parelli methods, which sometimes seem a bit artificial... with horses behaving more like we want them to, rather than as is natural to them and reaching a compromise.
However, one thing join-up doesn't do is work on both horse AND rider, unlike Parelli.
So what do people prefer? Or should both compliment the other?
I tried Monty Roberts before I started Parelli. Yea you can get the horse to face you and follow you around, drive and draw basically, and you get an understanding of the drive line, but for me it didn't give me that relationship I was looking for with my horse.
How familiar are you with the Parelli program? Are you familiar with the new Horsenality chart and all the new things Parelli has recently come out with? We DO work with the horse's true nature, that of a prey animal, but for safety reasons the human does have to be the leader in the relationship. If your horse is pushing on your space and being rude about it we can not say, "Oh sugar, please don't do that." The horse needs a coil down the rope to say "Get outta my space." So in that situation, no, there is no compromise because my safety could be at stake in the future. But that doesn't mean I dictate my horse. There are certain things the horse has to understand and respect, like my space, but at the same time there are things I need to respect about him, like his instinct to act like a prey animal and to not blame him for this. I have to be sensitive to that.
In a way you could say we get our horses to act the way we want them to.....we get them to be calm, trusting, obediant, responsive, sensitive, curious, playful, expressive, soft, light......you get the picture:wink: Who doesn't want that out of a horse?
personally i enjoy both methods...i use bboth everyday.i would love to see monty and parelli get togheher and do a seminar!
I personally am against Roberts....sure his horse's turn out great, but I don't think his "Join-up" method is good.
(His method for Join-Up is mentioned in this link....it does not give his name though)
I tried Robert's methods before I moved to the new stables that I'm at now, and yes it did give results...but to me lunging a horse around and around and around until he'll come to you when you turn your back and follow you as you turn and what not is not necessary. I have seen some people do it to their totally dominant horse who wants nothing to do with them and I've seen them lunge hours on end because the horse will not turn in or follow them, and he was literally dripping with sweat and his black coat was almost white from sweat.
I am using Parelli at the moment and I am finding that the horse's respond alot better.
How is Parelli artificial? Honestly I have seen horses do the 7 Games in the field and many other things.
I recommend Parelli because I have seen such a huge improvement in my horse.
I don't buy on to any specific methods. I take what I like from different real-life trainers, life lessons, things I see at shows and in training books, on this website, and yes, I do watch HorseTV (I think it's RFTV or something like that) which shows Parelli, Monty Roberts, John Lyons, Aussie training and etc. I feel that it's important to keep an open mind when training horses and not just latch on to any one training method in particular... Just my thoughts....
I agree with farmpony. I don't like to limit myself by only using one method. I think all of those guys have their high points, and some ideas I don't necessarily agree fully with. Mostly, it comes down to the individual horse. There is no way one technique will be able to work with all horses ever born just as no two kids learn math/english/science the same way. I like to just mess around until I find what works for each teaching point, for each horse.
i agree with farmpony as well...
I will take bits and pieces from people to do what works best for myself and my horse. I will tend to stay away from the big name trainers just because i think they try to put on more of a show then anything (JMO) but will talk with people that show in my disipline and observe.
So far I've liked Join-Up. I don't have much experience with any of it but I'm working on it as I can. But like was mentioned above, I take bits and pieces and do what works for us.
I agree with alot of people that are posted above. I dont just take suggestions/ideas from one person; I really enjoy Clinton Anderson and John Lyons, and any people that are training under their program. What they have is simple and straight forward, and my horses have responded well from it, weather it be from basic under saddle lessons or groundwork.
I dont care for Parrelli, although I have had friends have great results with it. It just seems too glazed and glossed over. I dont need a certificiate that says I move up a level to be renderered "horse savvey." The games are ok, and it is fun to watch but not something that I would like to do with my horses.
Monty Roberts is a very intriguing man, and his teqniques are very interesting. I have never tried join up with any of the horses I own or work with, but I hope to in the future. I have watched video's of his work and have liked what I saw, more then with Parrelli any day.
^^Agreed (for the most part). I love Clinton Anderson :)
And Monty is really really interesting. Very inspiring as well. I'm reading his book right now. The Man Who Listens To Horses. Very good so far.
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