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alexischristina 04-02-2013 01:23 AM

possible second horse...
 
http://i48.tinypic.com/2narwwo.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/29az5lt.jpg

I think she's a nice looking mare. Not started under saddle, 5 year old registered paint mare. 'Decent' with the farrier, loads, trailers, etc. How much would you pay?
She looks chunky, but I can't tell if that's just her 'solid build' or chunk :lol:
They say she's very well bred, but I don't know paint lines well, so maybe I'll post them up for critique.
Thoughts?

**Looking for an English prospect, open to all disciplines. I currently ride jumpers, a cute lower level hunter would be fun to have around.

FeatheredFeet 04-02-2013 05:38 AM

Certainly a pretty girl. Looks as though she might be over at the knee. Don't like those long, sloping pasterns. I think she's probably sickle-hocked and might be a bit cow-hocked too. Difficult to tell from the pics. She toes out in the rear. While she doesn't look thin, in the second pic, it appears that her flesh might have fallen away from the backbone, such as we often see in starved horses. Could be just the light or her markings in the pic though. She has a significant dip in front of the wither. She looks older than 5 to me or maybe just out of condition.

Lizzie

FeatheredFeet 04-02-2013 05:42 AM

Are both her elbows rubbed clean of fur?

Lizzie

alexischristina 04-02-2013 05:49 AM

Hmm, I can kind of see what you're asking but not at the same time... so I'm really not sure (fur thing). I wish they'd sent pictures of her hind, but unfortunately these are all I've got. If I go to see her I'll definitely take a look at her hinds to see what's up with her hocks. Sickle hock / cow hock are some of the few confo faults I feel confident in judging.

They say she is registered, so they must be right about her age. But she does look VERY under conditioned. She hasn't been started under saddle, I asked if she's lunged much but they haven't gotten back to me yet.

They say they've only had her for a month or so... so I'm wondering how much they'll be able to answer. Sends up a couple red flags, but it also could be perfect legitimate (say they took her off the hands of a friend who couldn't keep her but don't have time for her themselves).

greentree 04-02-2013 09:08 AM

She looks quite short to me. Not exactly hunter material. She is very cute, but looks hard to wake up, yet the girl has the chain over her nose.

I don't know what horses are going for up there, but down here, $800.00 max.

Nancy

gypsygirl 04-02-2013 09:21 AM

honestly, she does not look like a hunter prospect. not saying she couldnt ever do it, but shes not really suited to it, especially if you want to be competitive at shows. you could probably find a decent hunter prospect for just as cheap as this horse probably is. those long sloping pasterns would worry me for jumping.

TheLastUnicorn 04-02-2013 01:26 PM

I don't see a hunter prospect here.

Her LS placement appears to be too far back, her general hindquarter construction just doesn't tell me she has a ton of power back there.

Even though her croup and wither are close to level, she is downhill built (which is just something you don't really want in a hunter or jumper of any sort)... It could be forgiven a bit IF her hindquarter compensated, but it doesn't.

In the first photo it looks to me like she might be back at the knee. Another trait you just don't want for a jumper as it increases the chances of early arthritis. The second she is standing under herself, so it is hard to tell for sure.

She appears to be a large pony (not that there is anything wrong with that... I have a fabulous large pony hunter...But if you are looking for a horse, she seems... Small)

She is cute and colored, but for a jumping prospect, I think you can find better.

Corporal 04-02-2013 01:31 PM

NOT hunter material. Why is a 5yo mare not started under saddle? That's a red flag for me.

alexischristina 04-02-2013 01:37 PM

Corporal, I dont mind that she isn't started under saddle. Many breeders here like to wait.

Your average young prospect here doesn't go for less than $1500 unless it's fresh off the track, most other breeds closer to twice that. And the seller got back to me saying the girl in the photo is 5'8.

I'll reply to other comments when I am not on my phone.
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TheLastUnicorn 04-02-2013 01:57 PM

At 5 many of mine are just starting undersaddle. Frankly, I no longer believe in starting horses under that age... I used to do it, because everyone did... As years go by I have realized that if I wait until around 5 the horses are just plain more physically capable and mentally ready, training progresses faster for me and is happier all around.

Personally, I won't buy a horse under 5 who is "well broke". Different strokes for different folks.

AlexisChristina... I am 5'8... I still say this mare looks under 15hh. It might be an illusion, but this mare looks roughly the same height against her owner as my large ponies look against me. Again, absolutely nothing wrong with a pony... Good ponies are great mounts, even for adults (even at my height, I am totally at home on a big bodied 14-14.2hh pony)

Honestly... I don't think I'd pay $1500 for this mare. Probably not more than $800, to be totally truthful, and that totally dependant on her having a sweet, quiet nature.


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