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ahearn 10-29-2008 07:18 PM

Valerian Root and other Calming Remedies
I have a TWH mare that I am looking into trying some sort of calming supplment....preferably natural. I have heard Valerian Root works well (no, I don't show horses so that doesn't matter to me). She FREAKS out on the trail. She cannot ride out alone either. If we are riding with a large group, she will go from horse to horse sizing them up to see who she can buddy up with for the day. If she finds said horse, she HAS to be with that horse at all times. Someone had suggested ACE, but I'd rather not. Anybody had any experience with any calming supplements?

kitten_Val 10-30-2008 06:48 AM

Out of all "natural" and non-natural calming agents I tried only Calm&Cool pellets (daily use) seem to give some calming effect. The expensive "natural" solutions didn't do a trick at all.

Peggysue 10-30-2008 06:58 AM

I would first look to your diet.. what is she eating??

ahearn 10-30-2008 09:32 AM

She has Safe Choice Pellets twice a day. 1 Flake of Tifton 85 hay a day and 24/7 pasture. (Pasture is just to keep them busy...not much grass, hence the hay...

When I first got her she was on 10% sweet feed. She was so wired, I could barely do anything with her...changed her diet completely and she's better. It's not a training issue, groundwork issue, or anything like that. I've done muscle testing on her and it concluded that the Valerian Root would help...just don't know much about the stuff!

Any suggestions would be great!!

ahearn 10-30-2008 09:33 AM

Kitten Val- I've seen that product and it got great reviews! I'll put it on my short list! Thanks!

Peggysue 10-30-2008 11:40 AM

Safe Choice is a lower starch then most feeds but still not low in my book when you figure
1: it has corn in it
2: the amounts needed to be fed to meet nutrition requirments

Look at the ration balancer thread I posted ... find one in your area and try it for ONE BAG... I can bet you will see a difference and FAST...

Safe Choice is 23% sugars and starchs so .23 lbs of sugar and starches per lb min on it is 5lbs if I remember right (getting old here so I could have that number wrong) so 1.15 lbs of sugars and starches a day

the average rationbalancer is 16% NSC so .16lbs per lb and you only feed 1 to 2lbs daily ...

ahearn 10-30-2008 11:47 AM

I tried her on Triple Crown Low Starch and it did not help. (ANd it's incredibly pricey!) I tried this for quite a few change. That's when I went back to Safe Choice. I, too, am a huge believer in the NSC and have done tons of research on it. (Had to when I had a foundered rescue)... BUT having said that it's not what is always right for every horse. I will go read your Ration Balancer as well. I always love a good read and to be more informed! Thanks!

Peggysue 10-30-2008 12:04 PM

try a ration balancer and replace the other weight with beet pulp or alfalfa pellets/cubes ... I personally dont' like the looks of the low Starch I don't see what the raving on it is about LOL

If I were to use triple crown I would go with the TC30% supplement and add in some beet pulp as needed for calories

ahearn 10-30-2008 12:13 PM is the info. on SafeChoice...sorry had to go to the barn and pull a tag...
I had to look it up because the main purpose of this feed was to get away with anything with corn. (I started to doubt myself hence the walk to the barn) This is a good quality feed even for Cushing horses and Foundering... I have a barefoot trimmer and a Equine Nutritionist who all agree this is the right food for her. I'm so confused as to what to do from this point...

Triple Crown has come out with a new product called Safe Starch. Some of my horsey friends have tried it and liked it.

I will look into a Ration Balancer and send the info. to my Nutritionist. Thanks for the suggestions! (see below)

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein Min 14.0 %
Lysine Min 0.8
Methlonine Min 0.35
L-Threonine Min 0.45
Crude Fat Min 7.0
Crude Fiber Max 15.0
Calcium Min 0.9 Max 1.2
Phosphorus Min 0.75
Copper Min 50 PPM
Selenium Min 0.6 PPM
Zinc Min 160 PPM
Vitamin A Min 3,990 IU/LB
Vitamin D Min 360 IU/LB
Vitamin E Min 100 IU/LB
Biotin Min 0.45MG/LB

Active Dry Yeast, Hominy Feed, Wheat Middlings, Distillers Grains with Solubles, Wheat Red Dog, Soybean Hulis, Rice Hulls, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Cane Molasses, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Thiamine, Biotin, Folic Acis, L-Lysine, Methionine, Hydroxy Analogue,
Calcium Carbonate, Salt, Manganous Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Ferrous Carbonate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Chloride, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Sulfate, Ethylenediamine Dlhydriodide, Calcium Iodate, Cobalt Carbonate Sodium Selenite, Enteroccocus faeclum Fermentation Preduct dehydrated, Biflidobacterium thermophllum Fermentation Product dehydrated, Manganese Methlonine Complex, Lactobacillus casel Fermentation Product dehydrated copper lysine complex, Zinc Methlonine Complex, Calcium Propionate(a preservative), Sodium Acetate, Citric Acid, Natural and Artificial Flavors added, Calcium Magnesium Montmorrillonite, Cobalt Glucoheptonate, Corn Oil, Mineral Oil, Soybean Oil.

Peggysue 10-30-2008 01:33 PM

go to the yahoo cushing 's group and see what they have to say :)

IT IS NOT corn free see the HOMINY FEED and it is 55% NSC ...LMAO I am actually shocked ot see actual ingredients on a tag when I was at Road to the Horse last year it was all products and by products not actual ingredients....

I have study these feeds for HOURS and while I may confuse some there are others I don't and this is one ... it is NOT as safe as Nutrena makes it out to be .... try changing and see ... or try Triple Crown Senior which is also GRAIN free ...

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