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TerciopeladoCaballo 04-05-2013 12:37 PM

Warwrick Schiller?
 
Anybody heard of Schiller? I love this guy! I do not like to single out one trainer and speak good of all his methods, instead I prefer elaborating/refining/compiling many trainer's, veterinarian's, and just about as many horse-people as possible, findings into my training arsenal, but I can't find one thing I seriously disagree with on Schiller, as he, like he says, doesn't make specialized training sessions to treat something like a "bridling problem" or a "bucking problem" but he prefers to treat holes in the basic training first and then simply re-introduce whatever the horse originally was said to have a symptom to. I haven't seen everything about him, but so far, it's great! My favorite clip of him is where he is handling a 17.1hh horse that was brought to him deemed "very, very hard to bridle", so Schiller shows the point where he's done with the basics and is just starting to put the bridle on the horse, and finds the horse resists. He stops right there and says it's not a bridling problem, it's a putting-things-in-his-mouth problem, further elaborated as he sets down the bridle and proceeds to present the horse's mouth with the lead rope, to which the horse gives a small fuss over, so Schiller proceeds to find the place the horse has "a little hesitation" with, not enough to freak, which would be having the rope on his lip. He goes through a rather steady yet quick repetition of holding the rope there until the horse lowers his head or opens his mouth, then takes the rope away, and repeats until there is no hesitation. I think it only took about ten minutes for him to finally put the bridle on with the bit in the horse's mouth, calmly, no head flipping. In the beginning you would see when Schiller tests how the horse will respond, the horse flips his head, backs up a step, and for most trainers you would see the trainer yank the rope, smack the horse, send the horse off around the round pen at a gallop or trot, shout at it, or otherwise correct it sharply, but instead Schiller merely follows the horse, and brings him back to the spot he was before to continue the session.

Here's the video I'm talking about, if nobody's seen it:

Do you have a trainer you really like, if it's not Schiller?

tiffrmcoy 04-05-2013 01:58 PM

I like him I think he's a pretty good trainer. I like Chris Cox, Parelli and Clinton Anderson. I take a little from all of them and use it on my own horses. I had problems with a bridling issues with one of my mares and I watched a Schiller video and it helped me out a lot.

Laffeetaffee 04-05-2013 04:21 PM

He's my favorite trainer =] What I like most about him is that he explains horse behavior in a way that people can understand. He doesn't just say "you do this with a horse because this is how horses should be taught." He says "teaching a horse like this is like how you would behave around your friends" or "horses act like this, just like if you were to do this, you'd react this way." It's not magic, it's not science, it's just common sense. And he doesn't talk about it in a way that makes you feel like a complete jerk for doing it wrong either (I just tried to post Rick G's name and I got an error, OMG he's banned from even being mentioned on this site, you have no idea how hard I laughed and rolled on my couch).

This is my favorite video of his by far. By the end of it you're smiling and thinking "it's so SIMPLE, how did I not think of it like that before?"

stingerscricket 04-05-2013 04:27 PM

I lovelovelove Warwick..his methods are so effective and make so much sense! I haven't found anyone I like more than him yet.
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TerciopeladoCaballo 04-05-2013 07:30 PM

Lol, I liked RG for a tiny while until I don't know... the third video? Then he blocked me when I suggested, as politely as possible, that cussing out commentors on his video for not crooning his name in glory was nonsensical (I didn't phrase it like that, but you know what I mean).

Laffeetaffee 04-05-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TerciopeladoCaballo (Post 2139818)
Lol, I liked RG for a tiny while until I don't know... the third video? Then he blocked me when I suggested, as politely as possible, that cussing out commentors on his video for not crooning his name in glory was nonsensical (I didn't phrase it like that, but you know what I mean).

LOL I used to watch his videos too and he made a video on the movie Buck, and I tried to tell him that I agreed with him but I thought maybe it was a little bit different. He blocked me, told me I was an ignorant idiot, and I'm still getting replies on YouTube today from his cult telling me how stupid I am XD. I AGREED with him and he still freaked out. Oh well, that's why there's many trainers in the world, awesome and psychotic.

stingerscricket 04-05-2013 09:01 PM

Wow I've never seen that side of him..Guess I don't pay attention to all the comments.

TerciopeladoCaballo 04-06-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stingerscricket (Post 2140682)
Wow I've never seen that side of him..Guess I don't pay attention to all the comments.

That and the latest video I saw of him was lunging a "disrespecful" horse with a woman as his dummy to make some fun, then picked up the rope himself and nailed the horse's chest with the popper. If you want to demonstrate how not to do something badly, find one of the many poor training videos out there, don't confuse the heck out of a horse, imo. Schiller did the Harlem Shake once and it was hilarious, but you don't see him teasing and making a big hooplah like Gore... Sarcasm and jokes are funny, but I don't think they have a place when you're seriously training a horse. Maybe that's one of the reasons why Gore gets a lot of less-than-polite people as followers, because he's more amusing than instructive to watch for some people.


greentree 04-08-2013 08:26 AM

Who is RG?? I am WAY out of it!!!

Nancy

greentree 04-08-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Laffeetaffee (Post 2138330)
He's my favorite trainer =] What I like most about him is that he explains horse behavior in a way that people can understand. He doesn't just say "you do this with a horse because this is how horses should be taught." He says "teaching a horse like this is like how you would behave around your friends" or "horses act like this, just like if you were to do this, you'd react this way." It's not magic, it's not science, it's just common sense. And he doesn't talk about it in a way that makes you feel like a complete jerk for doing it wrong either (I just tried to post Rick G's name and I got an error, OMG he's banned from even being mentioned on this site, you have no idea how hard I laughed and rolled on my couch).

This is my favorite video of his by far. By the end of it you're smiling and thinking "it's so SIMPLE, how did I not think of it like that before?"
Horses that get distracted in new places - YouTube

LaffeeTaffee, LOL!!! Most of what we "how did I not think of that before?" is called PATIENCE.

Nancy


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