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cassidilla 04-05-2013 01:10 PM

tom thumb and twisted wire
 
so I was trying really hard to just ride my horse in a full cheek snaffle but he just runs right through it as soon as we lope. He decides that were going where he wants to go and nothing can stop him we'll run sideways across the whole pasture, and don't think that we run full speed at anything other than the big tree, branches, and fences. Any ways i've decided that he needs something that's going to stop him because its scary as hell running everywhere sideways i tried a tom thumb and that seemed to work really well but they've got such bad reviews and seem kinda awful i'm going to test it more and see how he reacts but someone suggest a slow twist. I'm just in desperate need of a suggestion on what bit would be a good idea for my little stubborn booger butt lol thank you :)

JustDressageIt 04-05-2013 01:13 PM

Have you had his teeth checked recently? Saddle fit looked at by a professional? Have you enlisted the help of a qualified professional to work through this with you?
Bits do not fix problems. They are temporary band aids, at best.

tinyliny 04-05-2013 01:19 PM

you can try a TT. My limited experience with such bits is that , yes, you may get more "brakes", but you often have less stearing ability. I guess that has to do with that this kind of shanked , 'snaffle" (broken moutpiece is a better term) , does't transmit lateral signals as clearly. It is best used for neck reining.
So, it can bring the horse to stop, but is not always so good for steering. And, if the hrose is running sideways, through the bit and all, you would want to be able to use lateral rein work, no?

I would learn how to disengage the horse's hind end, in the bit you have (a true snaffle), to stop him leaking out sideways, and then start him going forward again. Work at the slower gaits and get good obedience there before going into running.

And, as JDI said, make sure that the hrose is not running like this because he is trying to run away from pain from the bit or the saddle.

JustDressageIt 04-05-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tinyliny (Post 2136682)
. I guess that has to do with that this kind of shanked , 'snaffle" (broken moutpiece is a better term) ,

Eeeeeeekkkkkk!!!! Please don't even hint that a TT is a "snaffle!" 'Snaffle' does not describe the mouthpiece, they are non-leverage bits. I hate when curb/leverage bits are described as having a "snaffle mouth"

Rant over :)

tinyliny 04-05-2013 01:29 PM

I know. I used the term only because others do, that's why I added the explanation in parathesis.

Yes, a TT is NOT a snaffle.

Shoebox 04-05-2013 01:37 PM

To be honest it sounds like either a training issue or a pain issue. Upping the harshness of the bit, I think, will just act as a temporary fix-it before he starts doing the same thing in the new bit, and you up it again... Etc. It's a vicious cycle that I've seen a few times. A stronger bit will act as a band aid, as said above, and it won't be long before that band aid starts to come off.

bsms 04-05-2013 02:32 PM

Work on his stop at a walk & trot. Get those good before cantering. You can also try some sort of gag/elevator bit:

http://imageshack.us/a/img248/2677/img0414se.jpg

or perhaps a leverage bit like this (no nutcracker action):

http://imageshack.us/a/img820/1791/img0418small.jpg

I'd rather add pressure on the poll than going to a twisted wire.

You also might want to work on both one rein stops and pulley stops.

cassidilla 04-05-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bsms (Post 2137338)
Work on his stop at a walk & trot. Get those good before cantering. You can also try some sort of gag/elevator bit:

http://imageshack.us/a/img248/2677/img0414se.jpg

or perhaps a leverage bit like this (no nutcracker action):

http://imageshack.us/a/img820/1791/img0418small.jpg

I'd rather add pressure on the poll than going to a twisted wire.

You also might want to work on both one rein stops and pulley stops.

he does those fine at the walk and trot he's perfect at those but as soon as we lope it is a completely different story he just does not want to listen or stop he jumps over everything and runs full speed at the fence and slams on the breaks. The only time he's ever listened was when we were running down a horse other wise at the lope its what I want for a while and then he just takes off
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Allison Finch 04-05-2013 03:12 PM

People willing to fix training problems with tougher bits get under my skin, so I apologize for my getting some of my angst out.

If you just want a bit to get your horse under control instead of retraining what is wrong in the first place.....try some of these.

http://www.coug.net/bits/1bit.jpg


http://www.tackstop.com/reinsman/bitr373.jpg

There are many even worse.

End of rant.......

apachiedragon 04-05-2013 03:21 PM

OP, once you are sure it is not a pain issue, work on a LOT of walk trot transitions. Go a few steps, drop back down to a slower gait. Work on a small circle, not a straight line, change directions a lot, keep it interesting and changed up for him so he has to think about the problem. Once your horse is soft in the mouth and responsive to your seat as well as your hands, THEN pick up a slow relaxed canter for a few strides, and bring him back. Never let his momentum build or his attention stray before you come back down to a slower speed. His brain is what needs the work, if he isn't thinking and is just plowing ahead, no bit in the world will help you.


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