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Rice Bran vs. Oil
If you are feeding rice bran, is there any reason to feed oil as well. I looked at both, and the fat content for each is 20%. The rice bran is also 13% protein while oil has none.
Also, what about beat pulp makes it so good for weight gain?
Are feeds like equine senior, nutrena all breed, etc. okay to be soaked (with beat pulp)?
What is the point of flax seed?
sorry for the somewhat random seeming questions...just hoping someone out there has the info. :lol::D
what are you wanting to accomplish with your diet?? What does your horse look like now?? What do you feed now?? Why are you looking at changing??
I am feeding seven different horses with varying needs. I am trying to come through the winter with my horses looking and feeling good along the way. We have very cold winters.
I am trying to keep feeding as simple as possible.
I do give a lot of hay, but they clearly need more. We had a cold snap, and they all dropped some weight (this was before I started adding "grain" to their all hay diet. I have been "graining now for the last week, and did blanket the horses that seemed hit the hardest by it.
All of the horses are consistently active (so using more calories).
9year old Morgan/QH gelding, currently getting alfalfa pellet, dry COB, beat pulp, rice bran, vitamin mix. Soaked. (the alfalfa-COB is his owners preference -he cannot eat anything with molasis without getting hot, but needs calories.)
9 year old AQHA mare, 9 year old TB gelding, 6 year old APHA gelding, 6 mo old APHA colt, 20 year old AQHA gelding, and 20 year old pony (very fat), currently all getting varying amounts of - nutrena all breed (grain, COB, etc., 14% protein, 2.5% fat), beat pulp, rice bran, vitamins. Soaked.
even feeding similar diets, feeding time is quite a production separating horses, soaking feeds, etc. The TB is new, and looks good, but I want to keep it that way. The Nutrena all breed is substantially cheaper than the Equine Senior, and the major difference that I saw in ingredients was a much lower fat content in all breed (but I give rice bran). Maybe the fiber is different also?
Anyway, I just want them on a good diet to keep a good fat pad through the winter. I also don't want to be feeding unnecessary feeds when they are not being utilized how I intend (to keep weight on and provide calories).
Why does fiber in beat pulp help them gain weight? doesn't hay have a lot of fiber? I don't really get it. :D
ok first off the amount of molasses in most feeds is NOT enough to make a horse hot... now COB wow is noramly thur the roof in sugars and starches
Corn alone is 76% sugars and starches
Oats is around 50%
Barley is at 58%
the fiber and FAT is where you will get your weight from NOT THE grains they are calories only not heat
being in Alaska a ration balancer is out.... what brands of feed can you get there?? or you can pm me your zip code and I can try that way but I dunno last time I didn't have much luck with hardly any dealers up there.....
Molasses are on average 59% but the inclusion rate is NORMALLY very very small it is a binder not a feed ... IOW molasses are used to hold the pellets together or the hold the vitamin/minerals to the other ingredients... normal amount is about 5% in a pelleted feed...
This should answer your flax question. Looks like Peggy has all the others covered.:D
I don't know if it was coincidence with something else or what, but 2 separate times, he was put on molasses mixed feeds, and progressively got more and more insane...then within days of being off, mellowed. These affects have not been seen with the COB - and he IS a horse that uses a lot of calories as he jumps competitively.
I get why fiber and fat are needed for weight, but aren't calories important also? My other horses are active as well as needing to stay warm in the cold, so do I need to add in a grain for the calories? Or does the Nutrena all breed cover calories?
These are the feeds I can think of off the top of my head:
Nutrena All breed, safe choice, senior, (and some others...I have never used others though)
My zip is 99712
I did take the time tonight to go through and mark my scoops so that I can more carefully track exactly what each of them is getting making it easier to adjust as I see each of them... I know weight is better than volume, and I may be able to mark it that way soon (when I find my scale), but I marked it by cups for now. They are currently getting:
Dusty (Morgan/QH) - 3 cups COB/Alfalfa mix, 3 cups beet pulp, 1/2 cup rice bran. His weight was a bit low, but seems to be improving. He is blanketed.
Dreamer and Dez (QH mare and Paint gelding) - 3 cups all breed (considering going to safe choice because of higher fat content), 3 cups beet pulp, 1/2 cup rice bran. Neither is blanketed. Since starting on "grain" they seem to have picked up, but I would like to see them fatter.
Blizzard (paint colt) - 2 cups all breed, 2 cups beet pulp, 1/2 cup rice bran. Was looking great until about two weeks ago, when his spine started showing - he gets a lot of hay. I have had him blanketed for about a week.
TJ & Chinio (TB & 20yr QH) - 5 cups all breed, 5 cups beet pulp, 1 cup rice bran. TJ is new, and still looks good. Chino was quite low, but has picked up some since I started the grain. Chino is blanketed. TJ has had a light (wind/rain) blanket on.
Bambi (20 yr pony) - a handfull to make her happy - she is fat.
Thanks for helping me work through this...I just want to get this down to a good routine where I am not behind the curve ever with their weight - I HATE IT.
Also, hotdun, thanks for the link. :-)
OK let me dig for some dealers in your area of BETTER feeds I am not a fan of Nutrena at all for the same reason I don't like Purina most of them are not fixed formula and they are hard to get information out of
In the mean time up the beet pulp !!
3 cups is about 1/3 lb 9 cups will be a lb
approx 3 cups of rice bran is lb so increase that as well
you are not feeding enough of the all breed to get much from nutritionally
OK now I am off to search and see what kinds of feeds you can get :)
HMMM so far just Purina and Nutrena ... that stinks
Purina's Enrich32 would provide nutrition and if you up the beet pulp to 9 cups PER FEEDING adn the Rice bran to at least 3 cups per feeding you SHOULD see a difference
right now they are lacking nutritionally which has to be fixed for their systems to work properly ... alll TRY (I know some people can't) to provide FREE CHOICE HAY
grr I cna'tfind ANYTHING but those two which stinks
so the options are Safe Choice which is most likely lower grain and a tad better nutrition then you are feeding .... but it must be fed at min amounts at least and higher for the harder keepers
Ultima from Purina is another good option for the harder keepers
let me dig on Nutrena's site some ... I am thinking Empower or the XTN
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