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Amandaa 04-11-2013 01:03 AM

Disrespectful, biting horse
 
So i got this horse in july and he was already 12 years old and VERY green. The people left him in a pasture with 20 other horses and only touched him when they wanted to jump on and whip him until he would go... so he has no respect for people at all and treats them like they are other horses... therefore when you do something he doesnt like, he bites! For example i went into his pen while he was eating to take him out and he bit me!:evil: I worked with him alot and he is a great trail riding horse now, stands to be groomed and bathed, all of that. But, he is a lazy brat so when you go to get on he backs up and side steps to try not to let you get on. SO ANNOYING. Does anyone have advice to make him stop biting and moving when im trying to get on? Thanks! :D

Phly 04-11-2013 01:19 AM

There's a lot of biting threads on here. But long story short, biting IMO is the one time it's ok to punch him straight in the mouth. Put on gloves if you know it's coming and you're soft skinned. He bites, he gets hit. But this will only work if you can follow through and go full out on him.
As for the mounting issue, I've had success with taking time. Saddling up, never get on. Saddle and just sit. Saddle sit ride then the next day, saddle and sit. I'll throw a saddle on as they eat while tied. Then take it off and cut em loose. Short rides, till they get in better shape. But mounting then making them stand us probly the best thing I've used for horses who won't stand to be mounted.
Also a lot of this can be straightened out in hand, which would be my preferred method. Ground manners go a long way towards riding.
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waresbear 04-11-2013 02:01 AM

I agree, give a good one when he bites, don't hold back either. Once or twice should be enough for him to realize the Boss Hoss don't allow biting.
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TBforever 04-11-2013 02:45 AM

im glad u posted that, miover is the exact same, but doesnt move when mounting but disrespects by grazing on grass as u get on, u pull him up and he huffs at u

LostInTheWoods02114 04-11-2013 09:01 AM

My husband's gelding was bad with nipping/biting when we first got him. When he tried to bite at our trainer, she immediately pinched his lip, and told us he will never try that with her again, and suggested we do the same next time. So my husband did give him a good pinch on his lip when he went to bite him, and he hasn't had any more biting or biting attempt instances since.

texasgal 04-11-2013 09:04 AM

This sounds like a horse that learned this behavior works for him. It's how he communicates his displeasure .. and it's dangerous.

He needs to know -- in no uncertain terms -- that putting his teeth on you for any reason isn't tolerated.

I've said it before .. no living thing -- dog, horse, kid -- is allowed to put their teeth on me.

AlexS 04-11-2013 06:03 PM

He needs a good solid whack immediately and every time he does it. Every time you let him get away with it, it will get worse.
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Amandaa 04-11-2013 10:39 PM

I have heard the pinch in the nose thing before so i did that and he tried to bite me again for doing it and then i smacked him in the face multiple times but i dont know if it helped or not... and i cant just wait until next time he bites me and then hit him in the face because its not like an everyday thing, its just once in awhile but when he bites he bites HARD, not just a little nip

loosie 04-11-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Amandaa (Post 2192977)
his pen while he was eating to take him out and he bit me!:evil: ...But, he is a lazy brat so when you go to get on he backs up and side steps to try not to let you get on. SO ANNOYING.

Don't blame him, for starters. He's just being a horse, doing what he feels he needs to, because he's obviously used to people being 'SO ANNOYING'. So *teach* him that a) this behaviour isn't acceptable & won't work for him & b) you & your 'games' aren't bad, in fact they're Nice & Fun & work for him.

Agree that this behaviour needs treating firmly & punishment is IMO a necessary *part* of 'treatment'. If you're going to hit him for biting tho, you need to do it *at the time of* the behaviour, not after, so his behaviour is unpleasant for him, rather than ending up in a 'tit for tat' situation, which could be perceived as insolence on your part(after all, sounds like he was punishing you for invading his space while he was eating, after he (would have) told you not to & you didn't listen), he could perceive your behaviour as 'dominance games' & rise to your 'challenge' with further aggression...

As for standing to mount, first & foremost ensure that there aren't any physical causes - that it's not somehow hurting him when you mount. Then *teach* him to stand until you ask him to move. I do this with a combination of positive reinforcement - rewarding him with Something Nice for doing as I ask - and punishing wrong behaviour by making it difficult/unpleasant. Eg. teach him to stand by giving him a good scratch in a favourite spot, food treat or such when he does & put pressure on him in some way whenever he's moving(don't forget to remove the pressure as soon as he stops(negative reinforcement). Pretty soon he'll figure it's easier - and worth his while - to stand when you ask. Then you can repeat the process while raising your foot to the stirrup etc, working towards mounting in easy steps.

Phly 04-11-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Amandaa (Post 2202433)
I have heard the pinch in the nose thing before so i did that and he tried to bite me again for doing it and then i smacked him in the face multiple times but i dont know if it helped or not... and i cant just wait until next time he bites me and then hit him in the face because its not like an everyday thing, its just once in awhile but when he bites he bites HARD, not just a little nip

Pinching may work if done properly. Smacking in the face leads to head shy and other issues. Make a fist and punch him in the mouth next time. If that's not within your ability or morals. Find someone who will. Manners are as important as riding. They go hand in hand, without the basics you'll have an issue somewhere under saddle.
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