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Aesthetic 04-21-2013 08:29 PM

Barrel Prospect?
 
She's only a year and seven months. But Here she is.

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She has a cut -completely healed-
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Elana 04-22-2013 08:19 AM

Very straight through the hock. This will not change (or will get worse) with age. She is also built downhill.

Seems adequate in bone. Neck seems a bit short. She needs to grow up before you can say "barrel horse" or not. What is her breeding?

I hope that is not 4 strands of Barbed wire fencing for her.

Aesthetic 04-22-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Elana (Post 2307881)
Very straight through the hock. This will not change (or will get worse) with age. She is also built downhill.

Seems adequate in bone. Neck seems a bit short. She needs to grow up before you can say "barrel horse" or not. What is her breeding?

I hope that is not 4 strands of Barbed wire fencing for her.

No it's just twisted wire. And she's still see sawing up in growth. As for her hocks, I don't know if she'll hold up but I've seen a few that seem similar to her in the barrel world as hind leg wise.but thanks!!!

soenjer55 04-22-2013 12:30 PM

Her hocks are really straight, which isn't really a good thing for a barrel horse. It's good to have a slightly downhill horse for barrels, so that's not something I'd worry too much about. Her bone could be a bit heavier, IMO, but her canons look short enough front and back and her pasterns are nice in the front- not so much in the back, they look a bit long. Overall, her back legs are just not very nice at all...
I don't think it's fair to her if we pass a verdict when she's this young and without any decent conformation pictures. Is it possible to at least get better pictures of her? She looks like a nice horse, and I'm not sure if it's the angle or not but I like her big, open shoulder.
How far do you want to go with barrels? Just local competitions, or do you want to get serious? I'm not sure if she'd be a good horse for serious barrels, but she's not a bad-looking horse either. Still, she's so young, I don't really want to judge her too much...

Aesthetic 04-22-2013 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by soenjer55 (Post 2309625)
Her hocks are really straight, which isn't really a good thing for a barrel horse. It's good to have a slightly downhill horse for barrels, so that's not something I'd worry too much about. Her bone could be a bit heavier, IMO, but her canons look short enough front and back and her pasterns are nice in the front- not so much in the back, they look a bit long. Overall, her back legs are just not very nice at all...
I don't think it's fair to her if we pass a verdict when she's this young and without any decent conformation pictures. Is it possible to at least get better pictures of her? She looks like a nice horse, and I'm not sure if it's the angle or not but I like her big, open shoulder.
How far do you want to go with barrels? Just local competitions, or do you want to get serious? I'm not sure if she'd be a good horse for serious barrels, but she's not a bad-looking horse either. Still, she's so young, I don't really want to judge her too much...

She's very hard to stand still without another person, she loves to follow my every movement. It really depends on how far the horse takes me. If I can compete higher level I will, If not I'll keep it local. She's going to the vet along with my mare this week and I'll get a vets perspective on her. Even though her hocks are straight, she's never had a movement problems. She's moving fluently like any other horse i've had. Out in pasture she uses her hind end way more than anything when coming to a stop. Which confuses me on what to think about those hind limbs

soenjer55 04-22-2013 08:08 PM

I know I'm asking a lot, but would it be possible to take it a step further and get a video of her moving around? If it's too much trouble, don't worry about it, but I'd like to see how she moves/ etc.
I don't think her back legs will necessarily hinder her movement, I would be more worried about her just holding up as a barrel horse. It's a pretty high-intensity sport, even at local levels, and her back legs' hock angles are so straight that she doesn't seem to have much 'cushion' and 'suspension' at all. She may be perfectly willing to run, and like it, and perform well enough, but the impact might catch up to her...
Overall, though, to my untrained eye, her conformation looks nice enough... She's young and undeveloped yet, but her hip/ back motor looks like it's going to be powerful.
Also, I am by no means an expert, so take my thoughts with a couple grains of salt. :)

Aesthetic 04-22-2013 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by soenjer55 (Post 2313537)
I know I'm asking a lot, but would it be possible to take it a step further and get a video of her moving around? If it's too much trouble, don't worry about it, but I'd like to see how she moves/ etc.
I don't think her back legs will necessarily hinder her movement, I would be more worried about her just holding up as a barrel horse. It's a pretty high-intensity sport, even at local levels, and her back legs' hock angles are so straight that she doesn't seem to have much 'cushion' and 'suspension' at all. She may be perfectly willing to run, and like it, and perform well enough, but the impact might catch up to her...
Overall, though, to my untrained eye, her conformation looks nice enough... She's young and undeveloped yet, but her hip/ back motor looks like it's going to be powerful.
Also, I am by no means an expert, so take my thoughts with a couple grains of salt. :)

I had actually just taken a few videos today of her at a trot and lope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FTIB8RGKAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUHEOmPb_4

Aesthetic 04-26-2013 09:53 PM

Well my vet looked her back end over today and tested her legs. He said go ahead and put her in training when her knees closed. The worst she'll have is minimal arthritis in the future with probably a few hock injections until she's retired. He said she most likely wont breakdown and will be fine

TheLastUnicorn 04-27-2013 12:30 AM

You know, you seem keen to have people give you feedback on your horses, and that's wonderful... It would really help if you put a bit of effort into standing them up correctly for us to do so.

Not one of the still shots does this filly any justice at all.

That said, in the videos, the fact she is post legged and very downhill doesn't change. That she is just over a year gives her balance some leeway, but as mentioned, she will stay too straight behind. The reason we might say this would hamper her is that it can really reduce the thrusting and turning power of the hindquarter - and both are important in a barrel racer.

Now, it is true that some great racehorses have been both downhill and post legged... But barrel racing has the added challenge of tight turns. She is currently very very straight behind. I love that you seem to seek your vet's advice, but remember, a vet is not necessarily a conformation expert, nor are many of them competitive riders... So conformation feedback from a vet is not always going to give you the same results as that of a professional judge, or a review done by professionals of the sport in your area.

As for the rest of her, I will say that the yearling year is often the most awkward for a young horse... Wait until next year, or her third year to assess her, it takes 8 years for ANY horse to be "mature" so she has a lot of growing and changing to do still. Some things won't change about her, but it is currently a little unfair to try to predict her future based on this stage of growth.

If you really want to get some feedback on her that you can stand on, enter her in some halter classes, even at a local level. Listen to what the judges say. if there aren't many halter classes available to you, you can always approach local breeders and ask their opinion (do a proper set up, have an extra hand if need be) - many are willing to be honest and fair to a young person wanting to learn.

Smokum 04-27-2013 02:28 AM

Aww heck shes cute!!
If your mare has the agility she can do barrel racing.

If she learns to hunt those barrels, shes can race'em..

My friend back in the good ol days use to kick all our butts in the barrel ring. We all had awesome Thoroughbreds, Quarter horses & paints..
This girl brought in a gaited Paso cross.... it was 14.1hands & beat us all!! IT WAS A DANG PONY..... IT RAN TOP SPEED 15.5 sec... YEAH 2nd place was my EVERY YEAR!! reserve champion by a dang pony face >< I ran 15.8.. depressing it was...

But anyways...

My ideal

I like solid bone, thick hoof, stocky, chunk. Short back, low hock, deep heart girth, sloping shoulder.
I ran a 15.3 10 year old retired Thoroughbred & he was hell fire fast but lagged on the turns & It was something I could feel, he wouldnt dig in or hunt barrels & he did it for 4 years. Just a sport he wasnt into but would always get us top 5!

Measure your mare right behind her forelegs and then measure her height.

This is the measurement of her heart girth.
It should be greater than your horses height at any age
The bigger the better for racing!


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