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Tnavas 04-21-2013 10:58 PM

USA Hunter Jumpers - a question
 
Finding it very hard to find out exactly what bits you are allowed for Hunter Jumping in the USA - an you point me in the right direction with a link or tell me what bits are allowed or not allowed. Do you have a link to explicit rules?

I'm currently having a debate with the NZ Hunter Jumpers about the eligibility of a particular type of bit. They are telling me that the NZ rules are based on the USA rules.

VelvetsAB 04-21-2013 11:03 PM

Are you speaking of hunters OR jumpers?

MySerenity 04-21-2013 11:07 PM

I thought I knew exactly where to find this for you but did not find what I wanted...

SUBCHAPTER HU-4 ATTIRE, TACK AND EQUIPMENT.
HU125 Tack.
1. Regulation snaffles, pelhams and full bridles, all with cavesson nose bands,
are recommended. A judge may penalize for non-conventional types of bits
ornosebands.

2. Competitors may be refused an award unless they return to the ring for conformation or soundness with the same complete bridle in which they have performed.
3. Martingales of any type are prohibited in Under Saddle, hack and tie-breaking
classes. Standing martingales are allowed for all over fence classes. All other martingales may be considered unconventional.

https://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2013/17-HU.pdf

There is also a rule section for jumpers... but I don't see anything about bits in there.

Don't know if this helps :-)

equiniphile 04-21-2013 11:17 PM

Hunters have vastly different regulations than jumpers. Jumpers are very lax about bitting, while hunters have much stricter regulations. You probably won't see a hunter in anything other than a snaffle or a Pelham.
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Tnavas 04-21-2013 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MySerenity (Post 2305449)
I thought I knew exactly where to find this for you but did not find what I wanted...

SUBCHAPTER HU-4 ATTIRE, TACK AND EQUIPMENT.
HU125 Tack.
1. Regulation snaffles, pelhams and full bridles, all with cavesson nose bands,
are recommended. A judge may penalize for non-conventional types of bits
ornosebands.

2. Competitors may be refused an award unless they return to the ring for conformation or soundness with the same complete bridle in which they have performed.
3. Martingales of any type are prohibited in Under Saddle, hack and tie-breaking
classes. Standing martingales are allowed for all over fence classes. All other martingales may be considered unconventional.

https://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2013/17-HU.pdf

There is also a rule section for jumpers... but I don't see anything about bits in there.

Don't know if this helps :-)

Thats the same problem I was having - there doesn't appear to be any iinformationas to what is actually allowed or not allowed.

In NZ the discipline is called Show Hunter - the horse is judged on the quality of the round as it is in USA.

The riders may use a snaffle but they may not use a Baucher (Hanging Cheek) or a Dutch gag. They can have a Pelham (one or two reins) or a Kimblewick but not an Uxeter (slotted Kimblewick).

Someone who set the rules has decided that a Baucher has poll pressure which is incorrect. I am currently trying to get them to change the rules to allow the Baucher.

I also have pointed out that the snaffle rein action on the Pelham is identical to that of the Baucher but they can't see this.

And that the action of the curb rein generates poll pressure - the reason they don't want the Baucher.

And finally that the Uxeter is just really a one rein mild form of the curb of a pelham!

At least they have taken out the silly rule about a Fulmer snaffle that they also declared had poll pressure!

cosmomomo 04-26-2013 10:36 PM

I know that Kimberwick bits are extremely frowned upon in the show hunters here. I have seen them at some breed specific shows, but not the classic hunters that are based on fox hunting.

Ray MacDonald 04-26-2013 10:42 PM

You almost always see the 'hunter D' in hunters.
Also, you see pretty much every bit in show jumping. (As seen in the Olympics and Spruce Meadows ect.)

EqQueen97 07-19-2013 09:37 PM

Go with a Pelham or D ring. Safe bet. All my horses are ridden in Pelhams. My eq horse lives for it and my hunter goes both, but the new jumper I imported from Germany only goes in a wacky bit my trainer suggested. Don't even know the name, my groom tacks up for me, I could ask if anyone's interested.
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KWPNowner 07-21-2013 06:31 PM

The section of the rulebook quoted is the pertinent one. There aren't any "forbidden" bits in the hunters in the US. You can see that there are recommended bits - these are the bits that are considered conventional and will not be penalized. You can technically show in the hunters in any bit, BUT, as the rulebook states, the judge can (and, in practice, always will) penalize for "unconventional" (aka anything that's not a snaffle, pelham, full bridle - but you never see full bridles in the show ring anymore) bits.

All the bits you mentioned that are banned from Show Hunters in NZ would be considered unconventional and penalized in the US hunter ring as well. While it wouldn't be a disqualification, you would never get a ribbon if you went in the US hunter ring in a gag, Baucher, Kimberwicke, etc.

binkac 08-05-2013 03:59 PM

kinda off subject but are there conventional bits for flat vs over fences? I showed in a C schooling show took last with a phelem switched to an eggbut because that is all I had in the trailer and took second next time. Both were on the flat. Unfortunately I don't have a trainer and didn't then either, so couldn't ask. Both are considered conventional. Are phelems not conventional for the flat?


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