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TimWhit91 04-23-2013 02:39 AM

So, I have been spending more time at the place I am buying Turbo from. The owner has really been watching me work with him. I have been watching his "trainer" before I get to use the round pen since she is always there first. She is very rough on the horses, always slapping them and losing her patience, really messing them up. So last night I told the owner I didn't. Want her touching my horse. Of course he asked why, I told him what I have seen. Today she wasn't there when there so I got to work Turbo first. The owner came home and watched me for awhile, and as I was brushing him and putting him away, he was asking if I would be interested in starting Turbo's sister. I said I would love to. He later added two other horses for me. As I was getting done with "Chick" the trainer arrived. She was very mad that I was working horses other than my own. The owner talked to her, she left, came back to talk it out, it is obvious she hates me. I don't see why she is so mad. There are plenty of horses to ride. Did I do something wrong? Should I avoid her tomorrow or show up and try to talk to her?

SMCLeenie 04-23-2013 03:36 AM

Honestly I would just go about my business and not worry about what she thinks. It is your right to say who you would and would not like working with your horse, just as it is the owner's right to ask you to work their horses. I'd be polite to her but I wouldn't try to force a friendship with someone who I didn't think liked me.

Speed Racer 04-23-2013 05:48 AM

You told the owner she was abusing horses, then he supposedly asked you to work with horses she was previously training. You honestly can't see why telling tales on her and having her income/horses to train reduced would make her mad?

I'm also questioning the intelligence of any BO who would just take someone elses word without observing the behavior for himself, or not talking to the accused before making any decisions.

As a particular horse's owner you have every right to request she not work with your animal, but the rest should have been hammered out between the BO and trainer prior to him making any decisions concerning you. That's tacky and classless.

Roadyy 04-23-2013 07:13 AM

I have to agree with SR on this one. It was your place to deny her working with a horse you are buying, but should have simply said you do not agree with the trainer's tactics in handling horses as the reason.

If the BO has any common sense then he would have taken it upon himself to watch her and see if you had any merit in what you said. Doesn't seem sensible to take the word of a buyer without seeing for themselves the accusations being made. Rather it true or not your ethics in handling the situation needs worked on in a round pen of your thought process.

How many times have you seen her handle horses as rough as you say she does? Describe the "slapping" and "losing her patience" with them and try to describe what the horse was doing prior to being slapped and where the slap was placed.

I will prod my horse in the ribs when working with them and they try to crowd me. If that doesn't work then I will slap them on the rump while drawing their head back to get their attention to get off me. There are times when a good slap is needed.

As for the losing her patience. I have a couple of horses that are still learning respect and I have to do the spastic flailing arms and such to give them that " He's bigger and badder than me" moment that looks like I've lost my patience with the look on my face.

I say all of that while admitting I don't know you from Waylon Jennings. Nor do I know your ability to recognize the difference between a trainer using the only method they found that works with a certain horse and a trainer who needs a break and doesn't realize it.

It's hard to agree or disagree with your analogy of the situation over the Gore Web simply because there are always 3 sides to every story. Yours, hers and the truth. I mean no offense and hope you see what we are trying to relay to you about the choice you made in handling the situation. It made it sound like you intentionally bad mouth her to get her business with how quickly you took the BO's offer to train other horses. That will bite you when it comes to word of mouth later.

gigem88 04-23-2013 07:40 AM

Sounds like the other owner had reservations about that trainer, too! It doesn't sound like you were drumming up business by bad mouthing anyone, you stated what you observed (good or bad). The other owner obviously like the way you worked horses and has every right to switch trainers if they want. Unless they had a contract for a said amount of time, too bad so sad.

TimWhit91 04-23-2013 09:55 PM

The owner has observed the same issues before I showed up. He has talked to her about it. She started leaving before he got home to watch her work with anything. I did not go badmouthing her, I jus comfirmed his suspicions. And I know the difference between disciplining a horse and crossing a line. Slapping a horse in the face repeatedly is not okay. Instead of dealing with an issue, like standing to be saddled, she just hits them and yells at them and works them up even more. One horse now has a pulling back problem, and the ones she works with are headshy. If telling the owner of these horses what I have seen is "tacky and classless" so be it. I would want somebody to tell ke if my horses were being treated wrong. The owner showed up today while she was working a horse and saw the same thing I saw. He had a talk with her and showed her a better way of dealing with the horses.

waresbear 04-23-2013 10:00 PM

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Sorry to get off topic, what do you mean by "I am buying". Did you buy the horse or just considering buying the horse, sorry, I am confused.

TimWhit91 04-23-2013 10:31 PM

I am buying him, I am making payments so he isn't completely mine yet.

waresbear 04-23-2013 10:34 PM

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Ok, gotcha!

TimWhit91 04-23-2013 10:49 PM

Sorry about that, it was a little confusing!

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