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joseeandjade11 05-04-2013 11:42 AM

Western saddle rigging
 
Hey everyone!

My saddle has a 7/8 rigging but because my mare has forward girth groove she sort of needs a full rigging. Is it possible to change the 7/8 rigging placement to a full ?? I don't mind buying a 3 way rigging either and change it like that, i would also need rivets i believe?

Thank you,
Josee

bsms 05-04-2013 11:47 AM

Probably easier to just let your cinch angle forward.

False "saddle fit rules" regarding the shoulder blades

COWCHICK77 05-04-2013 06:35 PM

Does your saddle slide forward causing to sore the points of the shoulderblade? If not I wouldn't worry about it like bsms said.

This is what I quoted from the link bsms posted that I really like and found very true:

"If you pull those bar tips down tight because the rigging is close to the front of the bars[like on a full double], what you are doing is creating a wall for the shoulder blade to hit because there is no room under the front bar tips anymore. If you move the rigging back – 7/8 to - you lighten up the pressure on the front bar tips and let the shoulder blade slide"

To add you have to tighten your back cinch nearly as tight as the front in order to counteract this effect. That is why I do not like full double rigged saddles. You end up creating more problems than you solve. And most folks think that because they are not roping in a full double that they do not need a back cinch.

If I was you I would hold off on changing the rigging. Maybe post some pics of the saddle on your horse before you ride and after and see how far the saddle slides.

joseeandjade11 05-04-2013 07:25 PM

it kind of slides forward and goes on top of the shoulder blades. As for the back cinch, i don't have one so i never used one on my mare
i just bought the biofit correction pad by classic equine it seems to have helped with the saddle moving forward because the saddle is just a tad bit too wide.

I also had always been wondering if the rigging has anything to do with a saddle moving forward because my mare is literally shaped like a pear..

COWCHICK77 05-04-2013 07:43 PM

On a 7/8 the back cinch is not as important. I have roped large cows with a loose back cinch and never had an issue(most of ours are 7/8). Where on a full double it changes the pull on the tree and the back cinch is needed in order to balance it and keep the tips from digging.
We have a mare that I think is similar to what you are describing. If you where a bird and flying over her back looking straight down on top of her, she is very narrow in the heart girth and wide over the loins. It seems she "funnels" her saddle forward. We have a 15/16 rig and it is worse. We too have a Bio-Fit pad for her but beware using the built up pads in front. If the front is set up too high you can cause the saddle to rock back and put way too much pressure on the loins. It can be quite the balancing act!
If you have the option of borrowing some friends saddles and experimenting you might find an ideal solution before tearing your saddle apart or blowing money on a saddle and pads that do not work.

joseeandjade11 05-04-2013 08:10 PM

Cowchick77,

i think my mare has the conformation you described, she's narrow in the heartgirth and has a big barrel...

Next time i go back i will take a picture with the pad and maybe you can tell me if it's set up too high in the front please :)

COWCHICK77 05-04-2013 08:38 PM

I think you posting pics would be helpful and others could maybe see too and offer you some advice.
I feel for you, it is frustrating when you have a horse hard to fit. Our mare won't complain too bad but you don't want to sour one's work ethic and cause behavior problems.

bsms 05-04-2013 10:03 PM

Sounds like our BLM mustang, Cowboy. We use an Abetta, semi-QH bars, 7/8 rigged IIRC, but his shoulders are so narrow and his loins so broad that most any saddle will slide forward. We use a front-lift Wintec foam pad under the saddle. For trail rides, that seems to work to keep the saddle from sliding forward. For more demanding work, it would be a challenge.

Not sure this picture shows it, but his shoulders are almost hidden, while his back is broad and flat (and short!). He is only 13 hands tall:


COWCHICK77 05-04-2013 10:17 PM

Oh geez, so he is probably short backed too in comparison for the length of tree and skirt length.
If so, same here, very short backed and just round skirts does not remedy the hips shoving the saddle forward.
My husband has wanted to expand his leather working into saddle building. And having a few friends that are excellent saddle builders we are going to try a LaPort tree and with guidance build a saddle.(they figure with tree and leather for price to be about $700) To be honest, normally we would never spend the money or energy, but we believe her to be a great mare that loves her job and works hard. So we may just try it...

joseeandjade11 05-04-2013 10:53 PM

Here are pics of my mare, also has a short back, high withers, no shoulders and well..yeah she has a belly lol

http://saddlefittingpictures.weebly....01013_orig.jpg
http://saddlefittingpictures.weebly....12528_orig.jpg


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