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AnalisaParalyzer 05-11-2013 11:15 AM

Poo obsessed paint
 
So, Miss Anne has displayed a very worrying habit. She is OBSESSED with Abbys (my draft) poop. Yesterday, giving a group lesson, Abby pooped in the arena, ext time Annie went past that spot she did a nose dive into the poop pile Abby had left. a still steaming, fresh pile of poop. she gobbled it up like ove only ever seen her eat grain The girl riding her fought her up, pushed her forward, relaxed, and Annie did an immediate 180 back to the poop pile. she wouldnt leave it alone until i had mixed it all into the sand. Shes turned out with two other mares. Both on a higher quality grain, and alfalfa cubes. no vitamins or supplements. She doesnt even sniff their poop. or her gelding neighbor, who likes to stick his butt up to the fence and drool his poo into annies stall. She wont touch it. But abbys is like cake to her. I asked around to a few of my knowledgeable friends, and the suggested maybe Abby has something in her diet Annie is missing. funny thing, they eat almost exactly the same thing.

Annies diet (16.1h tb/ paint. moderate metabolism)

2 flakes t/a am, 2 pm
1 qt 10% pellets am/pm
half a scoop alfalfa cubes, pm
2 tablespoons multivitamin, pm
garlic & 2 tablespoons oil PM


Abbys Diet (18h percheron, easy keeper)
2 flakes t/a am/pm
full scoop alfalfa cubes pm
2 tablespoons multivitamin pm
garlic and 2 tablespoons oil pm



the multivitamin is a general hoof, coat and digestion aid. Annie doesnt get as much alfalfa as abby because it makes her poo runny. Im at a loss.

Help?

AnalisaParalyzer 05-11-2013 11:26 AM

And, no shes not thin or needing more food. the weight of her food comes out to about 24lbs a day. shes worked 1hr, 4-6 times a week. every once in a while, 2 times a month ish, we'll go for a long ride which totals about 4 hrs.

Sahara 05-11-2013 11:34 AM

Garlic is toxic to horses.

AnalisaParalyzer 05-11-2013 11:46 AM

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oh really?

Sahara 05-11-2013 12:13 PM

Yes, really.

There is a toxic element in Garlic called N-propyl disulfide which can change an enzyme within a horse's red blood cells, it depletes the cell of a chemical known as phosphate dehydrogenase - whose task is to protect the blood cells from damage caused by oxidation

When the level of phosphate dehydrogenase gets too low the hemoglobin in the blood cell oxidizes and forms a bubble. This is seen as being deformed as it passes through the spleen and is removed from the bloodstream. If the blood is consistently poisoned by N-propyl disulfide contained in a garlic supplement more red blood cells are removed and the horse may slowly become anaemic.

Researchers fed a healthy horse 1 lb of onion tops, which also contain N-propyl disulfide, over an 11 day period. By the 11th day the horse had lost almost 60% of his red blood cells and was severely anaemic!

Some vets claim that the toxic effects of garlic are gradual - a low dose fed on a regular basis can result in mild anemia.


What benefits do you think your horse is getting from garlic specifically that he can't get from other non-toxic food sources?

AnalisaParalyzer 05-11-2013 12:32 PM

She gets abot a teaspoon a day. for bugs, digestion and coat health. she gets her checkups regularly and has never come back anemic in the whole three yrs ive owned her. ive been adding garlic to my horses feed in the summer months since i was 7, and my trainer had been doing it long before. and im not the only one in the barn im at using garlic.

AnalisaParalyzer 05-11-2013 12:32 PM

any help on the poo eating though, cause thats what this thread is here for, really.

Trinity3205 05-11-2013 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnalisaParalyzer (Post 2483897)
Annies diet (16.1h tb/ paint. moderate metabolism)

2 flakes t/a am, 2 pm
1 qt 10% pellets am/pm
half a scoop alfalfa cubes, pm
2 tablespoons multivitamin, pm
garlic & 2 tablespoons oil PM


Abbys Diet (18h percheron, easy keeper)
2 flakes t/a am/pm
full scoop alfalfa cubes pm
2 tablespoons multivitamin pm
garlic and 2 tablespoons oil pm


My guess would be she is looking for better gut bacteria. Horses eat poop as a natural probiotic. Its hard wired into them. As a foal, they ate moms poop to populate their baby gut. Let her eat it if the percheron is healthy and dewormed properly.

Sereno 05-11-2013 08:06 PM

I see a click for "LIKE" I don't see other options.

SlideStop 05-11-2013 08:15 PM

The only thing I can think of is there is something tasty. Maybe she isn't totally digesting the alfalfa? She isn't on sweet feed or anything... Maybe have the vet draw some blood to check her vitamin and electrolyte levels. She might be using a vitamin, or whatever, faster then you can replace it with supplements.
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