Getting him to move his feet.
Thunder does great in the isle and in the arena with walk and whoa, but when we get into a new environment, or an area he doesn't go all the time, he plants his feet, raises his head and starts backing up. As soon as I get back to his side and give him a tug and say walk and start moving forward, he starts backing up then plants his feet. After a lot of struggle with this, usually he just gets too tired and gives up or I almost everytime have to have someone get behind him and urges him forward. I try to keep myself facing forward and looking straight ahead, but for some reason it doesn't help. It sounds to me like a small trust issue, but also stubborness. He was doing it for a while when I'd put him back outside after a workout, but we fixed it but reacting before he did. I tried that in the situation mentioned above, but it doesn't work. Any suggestions? We always seem to just keep getting further back lol.
Oh and I just wanted to add that it's not usually fear, I know the difference when He reacts to being scared, or if he's just testing me.
I used to have a horse that would do that when I would out her in her stall. I fixed it by taking a whip with me and when ever I she would plant her feet and stop I would whip her in the butt. You dont do it super hard the first time and then if he doesnt go whip him a little bit harder. Not enough to make it hurt but enough for him to go oh wow Something is behind me. And the noise helps too.
Ya that's what I was thinking, but then the BO said that I don't want to make him listen to the whip, I want him to listen to me, but I had to use the whip when he pulled this when I was trying to bring him into the arena, and only had to use it twice...haven't had to use it since.
I'd say get him to start disengaging his hips to just get him moving. Just keep his front end stationary and basically just get him moving his hips only. Just face backward and swing your lead at his butt. Get him responding to you and moving away nice and then ask him to lead again. If he still doesn't want to move those front feet, just go back to disengaging his hips.
I must not be doing it right because he doesnt care about swinging the lead at his back end, he will just stand there until I get closer and closer, and then eventually smack him (even on accident) and he will just stand there lol. He's as stubborn as me! I can usually get him to disengage in the arena, but when we are somwhere he's not used to he just plants it. When it comes to flight or fight, he just stands there lol.... or backs up and then stands some more.
If he's ignoring you, I'd swing the lead a couple of times, give him a chance, and if he doesn't respond give him a nice belt with it. Still doesn't respond- I'd give him a couple pulls on the halter, and then pop him again in the butt. Where is his eye during all this? On you or staring out in the distance completely zoning out?
when I am trying to get him to go I feel like he's being stubborn AT me, most of the time he's looking at me like nanny nanny boo boo
Ill try that again. It should only take a couple times of doing this then he'll figure it out. That's how he works.....only takes a couple lessons and he's good. I just haven't been doing it right. Thanks for your input ill try that next time im out there.
but yes, I would say that there are times he's zoning out....more so in an alert way, but not frightened....just watching to find out what im going to do next i guess.
I would start with the whip as one poster above said.
Let say your walking and he stops (you have the whip in your hand), you ask him to walk first with your voice,
if he doesnt go you tap him with the whip,
If he still doesnt go smack him,
Walk him around until you decide to stop if he acts like hes going to stop flick the whip and make him keep going.
I would personally keep doing this so that when you say walk he goes. Once hes doing fine with the whip go with out it and see what he does. If he still stops go back to the whip, and keep doing it until he learns hes gotta go when you say so.
I dont know if this will help or not. Good luck!
ya any advice is welcome, I'll definitely try it, im going out tomorrow :)
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